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I have heard the right deny truth to the accusations, but have not seen any supporting evidence. I am trying to understand why this stuff is not making mainstream media. If there are valid reasons, great. Inform us. I started this thread to establish a Socratic dialog. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

less than fifteen hundred dead soldiers over about twenty months. I can see how you might consider that busy work, but I can't see how signing letters that appear to bear his signature would take much time. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

My mistake. I have this nasty habit of associating the word sorry with an apology. What do you suggest as an alternative? Indefinite storage? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

No apology necessary. My point is not whether or not it is killing. The embryos are going to be "killed" regardless. Why shouldn't we use them for research, with the donors' permissions if necessary? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I think it was pretty recently (which respect to the age of the nation) that "In God We Trust has been added, but I am not positive. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I may not be in jail, but thanks to the Patriot Act, my electronic communications could be monotored without my knowledge. As for people not going to jail for protesting Shrub? Guess again. Has happened more than once. Here's one example http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=16824&c=86. Also see http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=14450&c=206 What I am referring to is the Israeli bias the situation gets. Ever wonder why the Israeli fighters are referred to as soldiers, while the Palestinian fighters are called militants or terrorists. Is there really a difference between what they do to one another, except that Israel does a lot more of it? Sorry, I must have missed the special on the disabled vets. I see it made a big impression. Is there any plan to discontinue use of the depleted uranium? Again, you are dismissing accusations out of hand without offering any supporting evidence. The electronic voting machines are a joke, and an insult to any voter who expects his vote to be counted. If it sounds like I'm a little bitter, well its because the early voting tally got effed up, so my vote probably didn't get counted. I've studied McCarthy a bit myself, but I have no intention of turning this into a pissing match. The fact of the matter is that McCarthism was nothing more than a witchhunt for anyone that was not a capitalist in their economic ideology. Or was gay, or anything else deemed "unAmerican." Does that make it right? We know they are nasty things for mankind, and continue to kill long after the war is over. Why should we not be held accountable for the use of DU munitions? We went prematurely, without good intelligence. We did not allow the weapons Inspectors to remain and complete their jobs. There was no immediate threat. I'm failing to see a just motivation. Seems a lot like neo-colonialism, i.e. fascism. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. This war was unnecessary, by the reasons Shrub gave for going.The killing of civilians serves no purpose in this war. They are the ones we are supposed to be protecting. I fail to see the logic of your justification. Not at the DZ, usually. And you don't see the hypocrisy? But the press is not living up to its responsibilities. I can remember Whitehouse Spokesman Ari Fleisher warning that Americans should "watch what they say." Now I'm not a lawyer, but that doesn't sound like Shrub and his stooge Ashcroft are too concerned with free speech. Know any shamen? They probably are not openly so, as entheogen use is generally illegal, even though the use is religous. How about the Rastafari among us? What happens if they light up in thanks of Jah on the Courthouse steps? I won't even bring up the persecution of Muslims. Of course, we don't pay them as much, so we really don't treat them equally, right? As though electrocution, gas chamber, or lethal injection are any better. We may not chop off hands, but we imprison a higher percentage of our population than any other country in the world. Again, that sounds more like fascism, and not a free country. As could I, but if you aren't going to give me more than rhetoric, please don't. I established this thread looking for evidence why the current adminastration is different than the bad guys. My theory is that it is Jungian Projection of the shadow, and thus, enantiodromia has taken place. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

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That is not at all what I meant. I meant you were dismissing my questions as those of a conspiracy theorist. I am simply asking questions that I feel, in light of current events, need to be asked. This is a democracy, and such intelligent discussion is what allows us to make intelligent decisions at the voting booth. I keep hearing about this evidence, but I never do see any of it, only right wing rhetoric, such that might be found on FOX, which I would not consider a credible source. http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/11.html That aside, I was not claiming you were not informed. My homepage is http://news.google.com. I check it often. I try to get at least three versions of each story, including, when possible, the New York Times and the Washington Post. But, I am not afraid of independent media. Of course, you have to consider the source. You are not likely to get an unbiased story from either Rense or National Review, but that does not mean that neither one has a shred of credible information. How abought the plight of the Palestinians? Or the fact that Desert Storm has produced more permanently disabled vets than WWII. Or the fact that Fox now has a judicial precedent to distort the truth in their stories to the point on mistruth?Or how about... http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/index.html Maybe your man won legitimately, maybe he didn't. Either way, there were widespead voting irregularities from which the effects were so one sided, it is difficult for a critically thinking individual to dismiss as anything short of fraud. You must have missed http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp Also check out http://blackboxvoting.org Many election officials are being quite uncooperative with audit and recount requests and procedures, which is not a shining example of free elections. You mean Ethyl and Julius Rosenberg, and the infamouse partial Jell-O box onto which our dearest neclear secrets were sketched, right? Or are you referring to when Nixon, without specifically naming McCarthy, called on him to stop his witchhunt? Or are you referring to the media outing McCarthy as a homosexual? How much do you know about McCarthyism? Saddam was just rolling in WMD, wasn't he? Fact is, the only WMD in Iraq are our depleted Uranium ammunitions. And instead of admitting his mistake like a leader of integrity, Shrub just changed his public reason for the war. I wish that were true. But, sadly...http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/4.html I could give you lots more links, but I won't. Use Google. But the idea that "they're non radioactive for the most part" is wholly unfounded by any scientific standard. How are Uranium, plutonium, and a few other -iums considered non radioactive? So, let me get this straight. We are killing the Iraqis for their own good? Again, this is the part I feel might be a lie on the part of Shrub and his posse. If you can show me how this is good for the people, to die by bomb or tumor, I will happily listen. Have you read the National Security Stategy? If not...http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss.pdf Or perhaps you forgot that the UN sanctions and weopons inspectors worked. There was no need to invade. There was certainly not an iminent threat. Why did we invade? This question has yet to be satisfactorily answered. No, I don't socialize with foreign leaders. Nor did I say anything about foreign leaders. I do, however, discuss politics with foreign nationals every chance I get. I don't know if you have ever been to Deland, but it a most unusual place. You can stay in one place, and the world travels around you. I can no longer count all the different countries my friends are from. How many international citizens do you discuss politics with in a typical day? You have heard of the Security Council, right? Why is it that we expect Iraq to obey Security Council resolution, etc., but we veto any objective reolution that might affect us in a negative way. That is hypocrisy. I am asking you for examples? Haven't you any? I would think that in a free country, we, as citizens, should be outraged at election fraud, to say nothing of any of the other issues. I am not trying to tear down Republicans. I want a real and substantial debate over issues that I feel need to be discussed. All your reply did was to avoid facing accusations. If you can defend your President, please do, but unsupported opinion is not productive. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

It is democracy at its worst, IMO. The rights of the minority are not repected by the majority. Only one step above a dictator, according to Plato and Aristotle. I would be reluctant to move anywhere in this country that either forbid or mandated my posession of firearms. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Okay. Inform me. Defend your President and his Adminastrations actions. What makes him different than the fascists? Give me some honest argument and examples, not the same conspiricy theory BS disregard. Do you stay informed? How much time do you devote each day to current events? Who was the last U.S. President to pardon a known convicted terrorist? If there is a legitimate reason these accusations don't make the mainstream media, I would love to hear what it is, but until I hear a substantial argument in Shrub's defense, I have to assume he has none. If I am wrong, by all means, bring the facts to our attention. But don't dismiss the question out of hand. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I spend a couple hours a day with the news. Are you saying I should spend four? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Have we become what we most fear in this country? There seems to be a lack of honest debate among our citizens right now. And our media is silent when we need it the most. Elections free of corruption are something we only hear about in other countries, these days. Dissenters are labeled unAmerican, or worse yet, terrorists or terrorist sympathisers. There seems to be little difference between the scare tactics of Shrub's administration and the anti-communism hysteria of McCarthyism in the fifties. We have adopted a foreign policy that relies on preemptive invasions to eliminate imagined threats. While we are engaged in a war on terrorism, against phantom enemies, we are littering the countryside of the countries we invade with Uranium, and other radioactive metals found in our Depleted Uranium ammunition. To say nothing of the thouseands of Iraqi civilians, not insurgents, that our military operations have already killed. We have less credibility with the international community than anytime in the past hundred years or more. It's as if we expect to be the only country that is exempt from the authority of the U.N. Is our government (not to be confused with our Constitution) really any better than those they claim to be protecting us from? What has to happen before we take responsibility for our government's actions? http://www.counterpunch.org/shivani1026.htm http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/media/040627_MaximizingShareholderValue.htm http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Why, because he slaughters innocent civilians in other countries instead of his own? Does that make him better? Or worse? Your emperor is naked. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Better to follow blindly, right? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I fail to see what that has to do with registration of firearms. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

While I have never seen Damageplan, I have seen Pantera in a small venue. If you were inside the building, you were in the pit, or pinned against a wall. The scene is plenty chaotic, even without a gunmen. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

Didn't need your correction. Thanks, though. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

It's nice to see that Racism is still alive and well in 2004. D.A.R.N. "A dog, a dog. A cat, a cat. A human is a human." --Pato Banton Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I fail to see the proof. The first document does not make use of U.S. Supreme Court decisions. It also draws on the Federalist Papers, without tempering those opinions with those of the remaining Founding Fathers that wrote the Anti-Federalist Papers. The second was published by Congress, who cannot interpret laws. Why is it that so often the people who believe we should blindly support the actions of our government are the same ones who seem to be terrified of being overrun by the very same government. If people would be active in their government, the government could be kept in check without worrying about having to kill all the representatives of that government. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The ethics issue is manufactured. The embryos are currently frozen, and will either be used for stem cell research, or disposed of. Its not as though embryos are being produced in order to harvest stem cells. Sure, adult stem cells have proven to be useful, but they do not show the same promise of embrionic stem cells. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

I think there are way too many sheep blindly following the fear mongering, right-wing fundamentalists. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The first thought qualifies the second thought. If the FF had wanted unregulated arms, they would not have qualified the right. The first half of the sentence cannot be disregarded. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

And the politicians are accountable to the people, who are subsequently responsible for the politicians decisions. So, the soldiers' and their families complaints are completely justified if it helps bring public attention to bad political decisions. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The founding fathers clearly said that arms should be regulated, even if the right of the citizens to possess them could not be infringed. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

The Defense Department relied on the Iraqi civilians welcoming our troops with open arms, after what we did to them in 1991. That is reckless and irresponsible leadership. Tell me, what reason did Shrub give for abandoning UN Weapons Inspection process, which worked, by the way, for invading Iraq and killing civilians. That Saddam was a tyrant is all the more reason to protect the civilians. After all, they had no say in what Saddam did. Its not like they were a democratic nation that could be held accountable for their governments actions. We are responsible for what Shrub does, if for know other reason than us allowing him to remain in office. If his foreign policy causes us problems with foreign minorities, we have no one to blame but ourselves. White House Switchboard: (202) 456-1414 U.S. Senate: (202) 224-3121 U.S. House of Representatives (202) 225-3121 Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!