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I see 4 colors. like a C 9. Riggers? C 9 or T 10? I jumped a tired porous C 9 7TU for waaay too long. OUCH! Thankfully, no broken bones. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Roger, Thanks for your work. It means a lot to us old timers. I was able to find my SCR from 1976. I was still jumping 100% surplus gear, 28 ft cheapo, 26 ft Navy conical, etc. Blues, Mark 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

View from 10,000 ft: Cooper survived the jump. No missing persons reports that correlate with time, description etc. Unlikely that the disappearance of a likely suspect would fail to generate scrutiny given the publicity levels around the time of the hijacking. Cooper lost the money during the jump. I think he lost it all, but perhaps just a portion. The Tena Bar money's very existence tells me it was most likely an accidental drop. Why would Cooper throw away currency? How it got to Tena bar is most likely explained by natural means or dredging. Cooper's real identity is: ??? Dunno... but someday we will know. I do think he was just a plain old criminal, not a CIA operative, spook, or anyone else under the control of the govt. Occam's Razor leads me to these conclusions. I am just betting on the least complicated explanations which are almost always the most probable. I could be wrong about all of the above, but this forum's very roots are based on speculation, so I dont feel out of line in adding my own from time to time. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You gotta like the Fazios. I mean a QUARTER for admission to their riverside property? They sure were not greedy price gougers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The scene you described can only be explained by the FBI deputizing the DB Cooper forum posters. Ckret, meet your new POSSE! Think about it. Jo has a badge and full case file access. Sluggo is in the lab working up stuff with Georger. Snow is writing up subpoenas and search warrant affidavits. If that wouldn't drive Ckret out of the FBI and into a cushy corporate security director job, nothing would. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Great one snowmman!!! You have great potential as an author. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Forget it Ckret, no fraternizing with SAs. You know the rules. Besides you are Johnny Utah. You have a date with Tyler... I have seen the movie. You are gonna score dude! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Nope - from what I understand, if a person believes they are telling the truth it will come across as such on a polygraph - even if they are totally delusional and spouting absolute rubbish - maybe 377 or AggieDave can comment, they probably have experience in this. Personally I put VERY little weight in polygraphs. One Chinese kid (with no priors) who I represented flunked a polygraph on a burglary, not once but two times. The shame on his family arising out of his arrest made him react in a guilty way to questions. It evidenced shame rather than guilt. Fortunately I got the case dismissed. Evidence later proved that another person did the burglary. I had a Folsom prisoner tell me that he beat a polygraph once by putting a thumbtack under his big toe in his shoe. When they were asking tha control questions to get a baseline, he jammed the tack hard causing pain and physical reaction. When they asked the crimes specific questions he backed off from the tack and the physiological readings that would otherwise have shown stress were unremarkable. Might be BS, but that was his story. Even polygraph examiners will tell you their machines are NOT lie detectors. They simply measure physiological responses to questions/answers. It makes sense that a delusional person would not flunk a polygraph question if they believed their lie to be the truth, but I am not certain since I am no expert. There are researchers now that claim PET scans of the brain can ferret out lies. We shall see... 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I think even printing can be compared as many people print in a distinctive manners... but I hear ya! I got a big laugh out of your "teacher note" musings. One kid counterfeited a note that said: "Please excuse Jimmy. He had potato famine yesterday." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Surely Jo could post some of Duane's handwriting so that we can do our own comparisons with the map notes. Jo? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Darn, Just as I was getting a good night's sleep... Insomnia will rise again as I anxiously await the new development. Glad to know Ckret is still on the case and that he still reads this often meandering forum. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Damn, looks like Pope Valley really WAS jumper paradise. It isn't just an old memory exaggerated and enhanced by the passage of time. How lucky we all were to have experienced DZ heaven on Earth. I hope someone posts some good color PV DZ pix. I'd like to try to make a t shirt. I still have a $5 Pope Valley jump ticket that could be part of the design. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I sympathize with the down and out but don't like being scammed. I always say I have a full gas can in my car, lets just put it in your car, but I am going to have to see an empty fuel gauge first. They always pass "my car is a mile away", "my gas gauge is broke" etc. I even had one of these gas scammers going door to door in my neighborhood. It is a great scam, many people give money. If a scammer has a ragged looking kid tagging along it virtually insures success. A pet dog works too. They probably do need the money as much as more honest panhandlers, I just don't like the con approach. I don't know why Jo is such a target for Cooper scammers. I mean if Duane isn't Cooper, then why is Jo important to the case? Galen Cook seems to have tried to cajole info out of her. Perhaps it's because she has had valuable contact info for Tina etc. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

No doubt that gender softens the approach. Look at how timid the critics and pundits are around Palin. I plead guilty. Still, I think we often misperceive Jo's frustration as aggression. She has some big blind sides and biases, but I don't see her as a manipulative bully. She has obsessions (Duane is Cooper), is too easily conned (look who she married), but I still see her as sincere. Stubborn, sometimes annoying, sometimes unreasonable (repeatedly demanding that the FBI prove negatives) but sincere through it all. In summary, she shouldn't be treated as a pariah. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

About Jo? Just human kindness. The Internet somehow brings out the sarcastic bully in all of us, me included at times. You need to balance it out with tolerance. Jo is sincere in her beliefs, has suffered the loss of a spouse and is apparently gravely ill. I don't think Duane Weber was Dan Cooper, but Jo isn't the devil for thinking he was. The Mad Dog 20-20 thing: If you were homeless, sick and treated as invisible by most who pass you by, you might find solace in a bottle or a needle. It isn't a good thing, but it it isn't beyond understanding. When you give a down and out person a buck, it's often likely to go towards substance abuse, but at least you shared a kind word and showed that you care. My Dad was homeless during the Great Depression. As a kid, I heard many first hand stories about the misery of living on the outside of society. He and many others in similar circumstances were rescued by FDR's CCC, given jobs room and board and a tiny stipend. My Dad taught me to show kindness to the down and out, even to the floridly psychotic street people who talk to demons. Yeah, it's off topic, and self aggrandizing, but if it makes this forum or its participants even a tiny bit more compassionate, that's a good thing. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I saw that show too and had a similar reaction. From my experience in law, I can tell you that even honest people make HUGE GIGANTIC FUNDAMENTAL errors in recalling facts. Time erodes memory accuracy and simultaneously attenuates doubt, so people often get distorted memories long after events have occurred but are increasingly sure that they are 100% accurate. I agree on your take on what the agent told Jo. I dont see any acknowledgment or confirmation that the FBI actually did take the register. Ckret says the files do not show anything about it. I do think Ckret is highly motivated to solve the case and if the register info were available, he'd pursue it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Darn, I was hoping that there was something here that we could dig into. Jo thinks the FBI does not want to solve the case, especially if it means revealing that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. Let's just say I strongly disagree. Thanks much Ckret. I know this Cooper blog stuff isn't moving you towards SAC as much as more immediate and demanding tasks would. All the probative evidence is missing, all the corroborating witnesses are dead, and the hijack money is in a safe deposit box in Canada, but we don't know where. The check is in the mail, this can't get you pregnant, I was nowhere near Oakland when that 7-11 got robbed. No wonder there is some scepticism in the air around Cooper claims. Anything less would be naive. Sigh. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Hmmm, if there was truly a register showing an alias that Wayne provably used, and a clerk can ID Wayne as the Collins who signed, that would raise some provocative questions. Has the FBI acknowledged that they once had the register and it had a John Collins signature on the date you claim? Evidence belonging to third parties is normally returned not destroyed. Hotel registers ae normally books. Was the FBI given the whole book? A page? A copy of a page? Ckret, what is the story on this hotel register from the Bureau's perspective? Did they take it and not return it? Did it have a John Collins entry on a date that was close to the hijack date? Maybe they checked it out and the sig belonged to a real John Collins? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A family member got an up close personal look at China's domestic surveillance in the US this summer. He was offered a summer research position in Beijing. His efforts to get a China visa ran into a brick wall. Finally, after weeks of stalls, a missed flight etc, he made a huge fuss at the Chinese consulate (who was holding his US passport and would not return it) he was shown a number of photos of a guy in the US at anti-China political demonstrations. A smirking official said "we know who you are." Turned out that the guy in the photo had the same name as the visa applicant, but was a different person. It finally got straightened out, but it shows China is active in US surveillance. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Howard's ability to consistently produce photos of the most obscure skydiving events, people and especially aircraft is simply amazing. Here's one I'll bet you won't find: Perry Steven's Aeronca Sedan, used at Livermore CA Cal Club DZ in the 60s. It was my first jump airplane. It was called The Rat. I have seen real rats that looked more airworthy. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

What is the big deal about notarization? It is an over rated bureaucratic procedure that has no bearing on the truth, only on the identity of the person whose signature is notarized, and even that can easily be faked. If the clerk has something to say, then have him say it. All the oaths, notary stamps, apostiles (foreign equivalents) etc don't have any real bearing on the truth of the statements made. I have seen loads of documents signed under penalty of perjury, adorned with stamps, seals, ribbons etc, that simply are not factual, either due to mistake or lies. We don't need notarization. We need corroboration. What evidence corroborates the clerk's statement about Duane's presence at his hotel? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Put the name out there. We have many resourceful people posting and lurking on this forum. Who knows what will turn up? The FBI isn't the only game in town. I still see no reason the FBI would want the case to remain unsolved in 2008. Makes zero sense to me. If you have a convincing explanation as to why the FBI would want the case to remain open almost 4 decades after the crime, then spell it out. Jo, you seem more up lately. Hoping that reflects an upturn in your overall health. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Mucklow=MKULTRA TENA=Tina It is all there, we just need to find the frequency Kenneth. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks Snowmman, we all bring unique skills and experience to this forum. You, Sluggo and Georger are on the laboring oar a lot more than I am. I just wish I had your research skills! School wouldn't have been nearly so tough. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

It's always open season, because there are always some who consider themselves exempt from "the rules". whatever they are. I wrote the technical chapter of a law book entitled "Raising and Litigating Electronic Surveillance Claims in Criminal Cases" published in 77. In researching the subject, I hung out with "phone freaks" telco frame men and others who were on the hardware side of things. I learned that many warrantless wiretaps were done unofficially, off the record, etc. The evidence was never introduced in court, but was extremely useful in connecting the dots leading to arrests and intelligence harvests. Some law enforcement officers followed the rules, some laughed at them and instead became good friends with frame men and even "phone phreaks' who were geek phone tech experts specializing in evading charges on long distance calls. I had one mind blowing demo of a dialup wiretap capability that could let you listen to ANY call made to or from ANY number in a local exchange using nothing more than a touchtone phone and a black box multifrequency tone generator with some sequencing timers. I was assured by telco and law enforcement that this rumored surveillance system was "urban myth" and for a while I believed that it was. My skepticism was laughed at by the phreakers. Finally, I had a phone phreak demo the system to me. He proved its existence and flexibility beyond any doubt. He was able to listen in on any local number he wished. Someone set this system up, but who? Who knew how to use it? It was truly open season for some, while others scrupulously followed the rules and wrote detailed affidavits seeking the issuance of wiretap warrants by a judge. Others (for whom it is ALWAYS open season), probably just dialed up their taps. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.