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Round canopies will inflate really well underwater if there is current (or relative wind hydraulically speaking). We used them as sea anchors when drifting in heavy seas. If Cooper went in as a no pull, those surplus containers with pins and cones might keep the canopy contained for a long long time. If the unsleeved round canopy ever came out, or if he went in with an open canopy, it might ultimately inflate underwater and start moving downstream. It would need something on the riser end to act as a drag device in order to maintain inflation in moving water. Just a thought. Parachutes found in a recently salvaged B 25 that crashed in the 1940s were still in their containers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

How many steps down the 727 airstairs? My name is 377. I am a Cooperholic. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Never saw that pattern. Paul Laput (Cal Club Livermore CA circa 69) got a custom PC with lots of orange and black panels. We called it the Great Pumpkin. Anyone recall Paul and his PC? 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

So who is the charismatic leader? Where is the believers' money and who gets it? We seem to be missing two essential cult ingredients. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Kind words and a great start to 2009. I second your motion. Beneath that gruff exterior lies a heart of isotopic heavy metal. Oh Snowmman, you humanitarian. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

***(edit) I always thought the best scam would have been to plant decomposed counterfeit twenties on Tena Bar.[/quote Hmmm, we really do need a second money find. Sluggo, where should it be? I know you are busy. We'll start aging the bills and await instructions. That Twilight Zone gremlin episode shows a 2 engine Convair in flight, but the out the window shots are a four engined plane: DC 6, DC 7, studio prop? Georger, I'll withdraw Buzz Murdoch from the picture pool. You and I would both die for the primary radar data tapes. They are routinely saved after any aircraft accident. Didn't anyone think about saving them for the Norjack case? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I always thought that's what jail's for, so you reconsider? I did leave myself one out (although you'll notice the bill is just blurry enough to not be an issue with the SS troopers) It's a series 1969. If you look at where the series numbers are, they're too blurry to read, but you can tell there's nothing there for the A in 1963A. I could have got it a little better, but hey, it was just a 5 minute job. Note the serial numbers are a little misaligned, and the green ink on the 5 is light because I got it from another bill. Still, a hell of a five minute forgery. Ckret has never met a smart bank robber. Most of the criminal defendants I represented weren't the sharpest folks, BUT... Ckret and I only interacted with the failures who got caught. What about Cooper and a few others who do big crimes and just never get caught? Keep your day job. An honest living is the right way to go. If times get tough, however, I think you might have a successful career on the dark side. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Here is one more face for Georger's project. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Well, we'd have to substitute a portable cassette or 8 track player, but I'll write it into the script. "Riders on the Storm" or ? That number 3 Rod Serling shot looks a lot like James Garner, but it's just Rod with a few years and pounds added. Does anyone remember the Twilight zone episode with the Gremlin out on the airliner wing messing with what had to be a radial engine? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow, Outstanding! Print it on appropriate paper and eBay it. I was thinking of making a t shirt print from it, but it would be too obscure. Your next assignment, should you choose to accept it, is a screen shot of a McChord AFB SAGE scope showing the NWA 727 echo and data block, and a hint of a Cooper echo behind it. By my rough calcs, if he deployed off the stairs, a la Air America, his primary return echo might have been visible as he would have been immediately pulled out of the data block blackout zone by canopy drag but probably still above the Doppler speed filter cutoff if his canopy was squidding. Have you ever considered a life of crime? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

That Mexicana stuff is amazing. I had no idea. Snow finds the most obscure stuff. I would never bet against him even on an aviation history matter. The craziest rocket assisted aircraft setup I ever saw was that deal where they modified a C 130 with surplus ASROC rocket motors (some mounted perpendicular to the wing plane!!) to try to turn it into a semi VTOL airplane. This was intended to be a rescue ship for the Iran US embassy hostages. They thought it could land in the soccer stadium In Tehran and take off from it with the hostages aboard. It had a SPECTACULAR mishap during a landing test, all well documented on you tube. Mexico City is a killer airport on a hot day. Density altitude can trap you if you are heavily loaded and lose an engine or cannot get your landing gear retracted. A surplus Boeing C 97 had that problem there in the 1980s and crashed killing over 50. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yes, you can call it a fact. If anyone really wants it, I can probably get the full case opinion, but there wont be much more useful info. Insurers spend a fortune fighting payouts. I have had to fight them quite a few times in the corp world. Few just honor the policies without a squawk if the claim is really big. They often fight hoping you will settle for less than the covered loss. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The T 33 does not have radar which could effectively track the 727. They must have been getting intercept info from ATC or McChord. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

T-33 isn't myth, as far as I can tell. A T-33 was directed to chase. This has been posted about before here. It's in Tosaw's book or the Nojak book. Forgot which. It didn't get involved until too late. The chopper thing, I get confused about all the time. We've posted details about the chopper and pilots before. I'm still unclear whether H. was up that night or the next day as part of search. (edit) Heli pilots were likely Lt. Col. Gale Goyins and Maj. William Gottlieb. Oregon National Guard S&R heli pilots? (edit) repost of my prior post/notes about the T-33. It was in the Norjak book. The T33 trainer jet was diverted to follow. Note that Lake Oswego is south of Portland, so all their info doesn't help, since it was after the jump. Norman Battaglia was going to Portland Air Base for a night training mission, about 5:30 pm. He and pilot Dick Perry went thru their pre-flight, took off around 7:50. Battaglia was Air National Guard officer, in back seat as instructor-pilot. Shortly after they were airborne, they were told to switch radio to Seattle Center, and Seattle told them to trail 305.... They turned toward Lake Oswego, putting them about 3 miles behind 305. They made radar contact and noted 305 was changing course 45 degrees every 30 seconds. He had to throttle back to 135 knots and fly with landing gear and flaps down to maintain contact. Near Eugene they were told to break contact, go to Kingsley Field in Klamath Falls. They say they never saw the 727. At one point they were about 3/4 mile away. Did F 106s chase the 727? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I remember arguing hard with Jo (might have been in PMs). I was quite sure 727s had never dropped anything much less people before Norjack. She was 100% sure they had during the Viet Nam war. Boy was I wrong and I consider myself an aviation history buff. Kinda nice to see one of Jo's seemingly wild ideas vindicated. I know some of you don't want to say anything positive about Jo, but it is only fair to say she was right and I was wrong about pre Norjack 727 airdrops. Happy New Year to Jo and everyone else. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

"Cooper—through a flight attendant messenger—rejected the military chutes, which have automatic opening mechanisms." The ejection seat chutes of that era have timer/aneroid auto openers triggered by election but they also have manual ripcords. The type worn by aircrew in non ejection planes like C 130s just had ripcords. I guess if this military vs civil chute dialogue didn't happen it is a moot point. For F 106s (at McChord in 71) this was the gear: http://www.ejectionsite.com/f106seats.htm 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I swoop, I just do it all above 1000 ft and alone in the sky. Being last out with a lightly loaded canopy is nice sometimes. I can do just about anything the young hotshot swoopers can do, just not anywhere near the ground. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't you think Cooper tossed the fake bomb? The fact that it wasn't found makes me think the search area was wrong. A bunch of flares impacting at terminal velocity would liklely leave a bright yellow sulphur powder marker assuming that the briefcase split on impact. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

So can we say BASE jumping is regressive? I am looking for any excuse not to do it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Don't drop it Georger. Let's hear some more. Cooper did succeed in a BIG social engineering task. EVERYBODY did his bidding from pilots to rigger to bank officials etc. He needed a lot of compliance and cooperation and he got it. Asking for 4 chutes was pure genius if he did it to make them worry about one of the crew being forced to jump with him. It maximized the chances that all main chutes would be jumpable. What does this tell us about Cooper? Was he a schmoozer or a boss type or ?? Saying he had a bomb and showing it was smarter than using a gun or the threat of a gun. With a gun the FBI would have figured if they shot him, game over. With a bomb you can't be so sure. Cooper kept everyone worried about the crew's safety and that worked really well for him. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sadly, the folks doing low radical hook turns are keeping skydiving risk alive and healthy. There was one guy at WFFC who died in a showoff landing. He clipped a truck on a swoop. He had been repeatedly warned (by very experienced jumpers) that he was cutting things waaay too close, but instead of moderating his approach, he lashed out and trashed his critics. So incredibly sad. I have been scanning the holiday crowds looking for Cooper sketch lookalikes. So far ZERO. It is those delicate features (especially that very thin nose) that rule out the vast majority of men. I keep wondering if Cooper was a skydiver. If he was, surely some jumpers in 1971 would have noticed a resemblance to the sketch. I don't think many skydivers would have turned him in, but the gossip would have spread like wildfire. I never heard of anyone claiming to know a jumper who was a good match to the sketch. All the likely suspects were relatively poor matches physically. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Just sign up for AFF Snow. Do some tunnel flying first and you will ace it. I prebought some bulk time and if you are gonna go for AFF I will give you a few tunnel flights free! I have a perfect low time rig (Triathlon 190 main, PD 193 reserve) you can borrow once you get certified. That will let you take your time shopping for your own gear. Lodi is about the cheapest DZ in the universe and I think it is within your geographical reach. Just like pushing heroin to newbies, the first bag is free. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange, since you are a jumper we will say nothing to your husband about your attempts to enter that website . Georger probably is just as advertised, straight arrow and never even a thought of straying. We need some anchors like Georger to stabilize the system. In my next life I will get it right, but this one is simply beyond redemption. Jimmy Carter was a good compromise. All his sinning was theoretical, which brings us back to the wind tunnel. Is there much thrill if there is no danger? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Dunno, having scored only one dead center in over 100 surplus round jumps and that was under my reserve. It was in a contest and they disqualified my one perfect accuracy jump because it wasn't made with my main. My other jumps were so far out of the pea gravel that they didnt bother measuring. Let's just say I had a good walk over to the peas to see my more skilled colleagues nailing the disc. I think smoke jumpers are carrying a lot of gear (chainsaws, shovels, etc). You wouldn't want a small canopy if you are that heavy. I think they are dropped faily low so they don't get widely separated. The only accuracy they probably care about is trying to miss hazards. http://www.parachutehistory.com/round/derry.html http://www.smokejumpers.com/gallery/v/JonMarshall/Wildfire/51010469-L.jpg.html 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.