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We only have two items from the plane. The door placard which may have left the plane at a very different time from Cooper's exit and the Tena Bar money which left with Cooper. If we can rule out human transport to Tena bar, then water flow tells the story. My guess is that Jerry is working on this backplot theory and is exploring areas from which some bundled money could have washed down and ended up at Tena Bar. I keep wondering what Cooper did with the main canopy. Obviously if he went in with no pull, it is still packed up and lying somewhere with his remains waiting to be found. If he landed alive under an open canopy, I wonder if he buried it or just stashed it so it wouldn't be easily found by aerial search. In either case there is likely something to be found if one looks in the right place. Good luck Jerry. It is a needle in a haystack, but sometimes those needles do get found. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Indeed it does Snow. The search for truth isn't nicey nice. Tempers will flare and it will be tempting to clash on a personal level. Still, we can attack the ideas rather than the person expressing them and not lose any efficiency. G's statements about where people put combs is not advancing anything nor are Jo's gratuitous nasty jabs at G after G was finally being civil to her. I am not Quade, but I know how he eventually loses patience with personal insults in the forum and bans people. Let's keep everyone here and the formula is soooo simple: suppress the insults, just hold em. OK? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Given the high probability that Cooper stashed or abandoned some gear near his landing site, wouldnt it still make sense to search Govt Island? The larger cadmium? plated steel hardware on a surplus harness/container will last for centuries I'd bet. Things like stainless steel ripcords will last even longer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Remember Steve Fosset? HUGE search, massive effort, planes, satellites, ground parties, nothing found. They were all looking in the wrong place. Wonder if the Cooper case may have some similarities? The Cooper flight tracking data looks pretty good to me though. I wouldn't expect any huge differences between where Cooper really jumped and where we think he jumped. Why does Jerry only expect pieces of bone to be found? If Cooper went in as a no pull, his bones wouldn't have all shattered into pieces? Would scavenging animals break his bones apart? Got up at 1 AM to try to put my telescope on the green comet (comet Lulin), but was thwarted by a 90% overcast and saw nothing. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/04feb_greencomet.htm 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I used to fly ultralight airplanes, mostly Eipper MXs. Early one morning I was walking on 3d Ave in San Francisco near Golden Gate Park, and what do I see in the street? An entire rudder from an Eipper MX. It was in great shape. I advertised my find all over the ultralight community and nobody claimed it or knew of an Eipper MX missing a rudder. Go figure. Reminds me of that movie Donnie Darko. There has been some buzz on another forum about an entire old skydiving rig found very intact in a Swedish forest. Whose was it? How did it get there? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I too wonder about Jerry's search area selection. Must know something that we don't. Could it be that something else from the plane was found there? Anything wrong with my logic about the high likelihood some of the parachute gear being left behind even if Cooper survived? I see it as either it is all there with the remains of Cooper or some or all of it was left there as he made his way back to civilization. No point in dragging the main canopy out with him. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I too keep thinking about Sluggo's 10K theory. Just no way to be certain if Cooper was that clever about the flight path and terrain clearance requirements I do think he was intending to jump a lot sooner than he actually did. Gossett's connections with Ft Lewis are interesting in that regard. Given that Rat actually did want to dump Cooper over the Pacific, I wonder if Cooper anticipated such a possibility and made demands that would assure that ground not ocean was beneath him no matter when he exited. Jo did mention something a long time ago about Duane following RR tracks on his path to civilization, something about a fire lookout tower too. No mention of those RR tracks in a long time. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You are joking of course but just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper Basically he was a dude who conned an airline into giving him a free jet jump from one of their 727s. He drank some bourbon, got kinda rude and actually demanded that they pay him on top of that. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo means ground penetrating radar I think, which is a VERY useful investigative tool for finding buried stuff provided that it is a good RF reflector. GPR was used to find those WW2 airplanes buried under HUNDREDS of feet of ice in Greenland. Isn't so great at finding objects which have a density close to the earth that surrounds them. It isnt really about metal vs non metal, it's about density differences. Shelly's dispute of Jo's claims seems to have been a huge relief to Georger. I am happy he appears to have decided to stay here and just view Jo as a discredited nusisance in his eyes rather than a nemisis. Didn't Jo say that Duane mentioned following RR tracks out of the area? Sluggo recalls I am sure. Surely they would be something that would show on some maps or aerial photos of that vintage. I think there has to be some gear out there, at least the metal parts, whether Cooper went in or survived. No way would he walk out carrying all his chute gear, makes no sense. Buried nylon might survive. Some of the metal stuff would survive to this day no matter where it ended up. Hey Georger, if you run into Brad Pitt, my 16 year old daughter wants an autograph. She says you can "like totally skip" Tom C. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Shelly, Welcome to you and to Jerry and thanks for posting. Having a forum participant who is familiar with the area and can actually move around in it off the beaten path (my Mars rover analogy) is invaluable. We on this forum are pretty far removed from the geography and have to rely on Google Earth, aerial photos etc. You can make some really incorrect assumptions and conclusions when that's all you have to look at. I sure know what you mean about this case being a "slow mover." If Cooper didn't survive the jump, then somewhere there is gear to be found. Even if he did survive he might have stashed the rig on his way out of the landing area. Looking forward to your further participation and posts. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sluggo You sure have behaved cordially and honestly with Jo from all I have seen. Jo is traveling through a hostile territory and she attacks a protector. Go figure. Good news on Jerry. Kinda like having a Mars rover. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Got that right Snow, which is why we skydive and you rock/ice climb. Full bore or fully bored, it's really quite an easy choice. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Speaking of the WOW signal, I attended a lecture last month by Dr. Seth Shostak of the SETI Institute. He spoke about the WOW signal and about the autocorrelator receiver systems installed at their Hat Creek site that can look simultaneously at a million channels. Very cool stuff, but now that they have the hot setup, not one other WOW signal has been received. The aliens are just playing with us, teasing and taunting us with RF tidbits. It is possible that the person who lead the Cooper radar investigation is still around.Can we identify the person? I think it is entirely possible that nobody on the team was even aware that a jumpers exiting body could be tracked. They may have been focused exclusively on the airplane's flight path. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

"Has something else occurred (of which I am unaware)?" is the correct English. I believe that would be correct even in Ameriglish Sigh... I hope this is not the extent of my value-add to this forum anymore. Back at work now so much less time to do research for the forum! btw I presume 377's post back to georger about PAs being offlimits but vicious relentless attacks on logic, factspinning etc being OK ...was aimed at me. Didn't realise I was being "vicious". Relentless, yes. You guys are pretty sheltered, perhaps. Come sit in on a presentation being given by financial markets analyst (equities, fixed interest, economics, strategy, whatever) to a big client. You'll find out soon all about attacks on logic, factspinning etc... and what "vicious" can really be for those daring to put forward arguments without logical, consistent frameworks to back them up. I guess for those of you that are in academia... the to and fro of journal articles & their critiques is not quite as vicious (albeit perhaps better argued, and hopefully as relentless in logic). Orange, You were not the target of my comments, honest. My point was that it is OK to viciously attack illogical conclusions, those are fair game here. Personal insults are not OK. I have relentlessly attacked Jo's unsupported and illogical conclusions publicly and privately but remain civil. You have always been civil to Jo even when launching an aggressive assault on her logic. In seeking truth and filtering noise and other tangential distractions, it is OK to cut deep. It must be done. The knife should slice the noise, not the person. That's all I meant. If my post was directed at anyone, it was our departed colleague Georger. Carry on Orange. I value your input a lot and am glad you have returned. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sole source Litton contract here we come $$$$$$$. Hey Cheney is gone. The Halliburton days are over. Seize the test set as a government asset, you know the govt paid for it sometime in the past. Offer its use to the winning bidder as loaned GFE and open up the process. Hey Snow, lets bid and rebuild these tubes ourselves on the weekends. Sluggo could get any Thorium we might need for filament coatings. We will need Georger's chem expertise too. You up for it? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Most of the big single transmitter air surveillance radars still use tubes in the final power amplifier stage. They are rugged and can take a beating that would fry their solid state equivalents. On some of the military gear I worked with they used spin tuned magnetrons in the radar transceiver. This used a rotating motor shaft to continuously vary the frequency of the radar signals to prevent jammers fomr knocking it out with a simple single frequency transmitter. You turn up the most obscure stuff Snow. Soon you will have the nanes of the SAGE controllers on duty on that cold and stormy November night in 71. It must have been pretty exciting. A hijack, a possible fighter intercept and a national news story unfolding right on their normally dull as hell SAGE scopes. Bet those SAGE scope integrated ashtrays got a workout that night. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

over there, not here, unless there's no better choice OK, there's is no better choice Georger. Now will you reconsider? Please don't make those who stay here have to read another forum to get your Cooper thoughts. Sluggo has a good point about Jo. If he can tolerate her participation after the unjustifed abuse she directed at him, you should also be able to. All this begging is making me look bad, so stay and put an end to it OK? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Sounds good to me. Another angle: Go to a REALLY good counterfeiter and get them to make a few unfound SN Cooper bills, nice, crisp and undamaged. Better yet, maybe there is even a way to erase or modify an SN on a vintage twenty and print in a Cooper SN, thus avoiding or minimizing a counterfeiting exposure. Send one to a movie/TV producer. Start negotiating. It was done before with Newsweek but it was a crude Xerox cut and past job and doomed to fail. Maybe Jo should get the first chance on confidentially bidding for the perfect Cooper twenty since she has had a very hard time finding even one of the thousands Duane possessed. Hey, if Duane spent all those twenties in the US dont you think one of them might have been spotted? If someone got a big payment of twenties for something like a car, might they think "Cooper" and check some serial numbers? If Duane had the Cooper loot, where did it all go? Just a thought. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Although often discussed, it remains a valid point. Orange postulated that someone may have been missed but was never associated with Cooper. If my memory is correct she came up with someone who did go missing around that time who might have fit the age and general description. When someone disappears things inevitably pile up. A car, bills, tax returns, etc. Inquiries are eventually made. Sooner or later someone, even a creditor, may file a missing person report and that puts it on the radar. One exception could happen if the person were long domiciled overseas in a a rural area, came to the US to do the hijack and died in the process. The rural foreign neighbors would think he just stayed in the US and there would be nobody reported missing in the US. I view that fact that there were no likely Coopers reported missing as favoring a live landing and escape. I like to look at the bright side. It is a lot more appealing to think that Cooper survived rather than suffering a 120 MPH splat or even worse, a good deployment followed by a cold, lonely drowning on a dark and stormy night. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger, Surely you dont really think we miss that point do you? We just live with it rather than getting all worked up about it. People can communicate amidst noise and even amidst jamming. This is a subject you know a lot about in the technical sense. Just adjust your DSP filters or, if you are using older technology, just notch her out and keep the QSO going. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger, Take a few days off and reconsider. I know Jo irritates the hell out of you but if you leave she has won the battle with you on this forum. We need good scientific minds and balance here. You added a lot of value and your departure in anger is a mistake. Nobody will fault you for a reconsidered departure. Jo has figured out how to pull your chain, but you don't have to let it work. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger, I was tracking you just fine until your 900% remark. You can make your point perfectly without the personal insults to Jo. Jo is part of the forum landscape and despite all the threats to leave forever, will probably remain here until she dies. Just accept it calmly and carry on. There is room for all of us here, even Thomas too if he cares to join. Everybody, including me, has a reaction to Jo. It is how we express our reaction that distinguishes us. You only need to change on simple thing, stop the personal insults. Everything else including vicious relentless attacks on her logic, stubborness and fact spinning is fair game. Maybe you hope Quade will exhile you as we all know what it takes to make that happen. You seem to be copying the exhile formula almost to the word. Please don't get canned, you are such a valuable contributor and I know I am not the only one who holds that opinion. There is probably still time to edit your last post and make it less insulting. Come on, all it takes is a few keystrokes. Not that you owe me anything, but I'd consider it a favor if you'd do it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Come on Georger, there is supposed to be a peace treaty here. The worst thing Jo has called you in recent times is FBI/CIA. Let's be more civil to each other before Quade brings the hammer down. You know that many skydivers would love to see him kill this forum. Let's not give him any good reasons. Orange used to be the toughest on Jo but you have taken over that position. I do not think Duane was Cooper but I can tolerate Jo's contrary opinions. Her claimed facts and speculative opinions are wide open for attack, but she shouldn't be insulted personally. Anyway, that's how I see it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

IF the FBI really thinks that non steerable canopy+ unsuitable shoes/clothes=death they are laughably wrong. If he pulled and didn't land in water Cooper very likely survived the jump. Anyone could have. Landing a round chute is a lot easier than a square for a novice. Galen Cook is a smart guy with a healthy dose of skepticism. If he thinks Gossett is Cooper he is basing it on more than what the kid said about his Dad. Gossett may have been just another wannabe but I wouldn't rule him out just yet. At least we can put Gossett in a chute without having to spin anything. He had the ability and his precarious financial condition gave him a motive. He knew the area well and had Ft Lewis connections. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Commercial fishermen claim that a small satellite nuke reactor was lost somewhere near the Channel Islands off Santa Barbara CA when a Vandenberg AFB rocket launch went awry. They say it was never found. They joke about finding it a trawl net someday, taking it home and going off the grid. Any truth to the rumor of a lost USAF spacecraft reactor? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.