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Damn, Georger, you are really waxing eloquent these days. Tina contemplated Dan's remarks and proceeded to cloister herself in a nunnery, exposing her soul to the smallest part of hell possible short of complete isolation. I think a play could be written based loosely on the Mucklow-Cooper relationship. Brief, but highly charged with drama and poignant human interaction. Could Georger actually be working on such a project? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The ones you posted are the ones I keep looking at Snow. Of course its very subjective, but I see some detail matches in the chin morphology, ears, upper and lower lip size ratios, hairline, face shape etc. Also they just look a lot alike in general. I can imagine someone seeing Billy and guiding an artist to a drawing that looks a lot like the one you posted on the left. Is that one that Jo claimed that Gosset modified or is it the original FBI drawing? Anyhow, Waugh looks like most of the Cooper drawings that have been posted. His old age photo looks like the artificially aged Cooper photo if that is worth anything. Can you tell what color Billy's eyes are? Do they match the witness descriptions of Coopers eye color? Lets see what some software can do with the image corrrelations. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I have seen a lot of police drawings that end up looking nothing like the person who is later proven to have committed the crime, so I have never put a lot of faith in the accuracy of the FBI Cooper drawings. However, Billy W looks so much like the drawings. He is a much better match than Gosset who was a pretty decent match. Can we make anything from it? I keep looking at the pics side by side and see so many similarities, but then I tell myself we really dont know how accurate the Cooper drawings are. The witnesses thought the drawings were accurate, but so did the witnesses in the cases I saw where the drawings later proved to be way off the mark Wish we could have the ticket clerk look at the Billy W photos. I am trying to get Flo to look at them but no contact so far. I have really tried to find other Petersons and Waughs but come up empty. Snow has the touch. Jo's latest posts seem to be waffling on the certainty of the proof she has that her deceased husband was Cooper. Maybe she is preparing us for something far less probative than what she teased us with. That won't be a big surprise. Counting down to National Geographic. Using an Alaska Airlines MD 80 is tacky. I could have found them a 727 with a pax interior. The boneyards are full of em. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I like that... I'm gonna steal it. Hey, at least I TOLD you I'm stealing it! That's altruistic... isn't it? So if Cooper TOLD Tina "I'm stealing it" would he be altruistic? Georger was really on a roll last night. I thought some good points were made. If it was propelled by any substance I want some for myself! Larry was wrong in ruling out Nam vets and expert jumpers, but I see it more as an incorrect guess than a falsehood. Law enforcement people like to project an "in control" image. Have you ever heard the cops say "we are just baffled" even when they are? Nope. It's more like "we have a profile and are actively pursuing leads at time." They sure overuse "at this time". It usually adds nothing, but listen to a police radio channel and hear how frequently it is used. And what about this "profile" stuff? What does it really mean? Has the efficacy of "profiling" ever been proven? I have a prediction. In my lifetime Amelia Earhart's plane will be found and Cooper will be identified. Both are guesses of course and reflect my optimism more than any science or logic. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks for indulging my airplane mania Snow. This very OV 10 in the picture could be buzzing your secret mountain fortress this summer. The California Department of Forestry has cornered the market on surplus OV 10s and had them extensively overhauled by San Joaquin Helicopter (they work on fixed wing acft too). They now fly as spotters for air attack fire tankers and have proven extremely well suited for the task. Of course they may just be targeting you for something a little stronger than PhosChek fire retardant. Sometimes they have to destroy a village to save it. You might want to speed up the work on those pneumatic AA cannons I referred to in an earlier post. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Please tell the story Jo. Until you do it just reads like the cast from a cheap gangster novel, Mouse and Roach and all that. Are you sure Shorty wasn't involved? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I agree. Even Carr would have to agree I think. Those kind of incorrect assumptions can ruin an investigation by ruling out fruitful areas of inquiry. When Norjack happened I was sure it had to be a sport skydiver. I was wrong. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I have personal contact with a different kind of Nam vet, a former Vietnamese paratrooper who is married to a friend. This man made military HALO jumps in Nam out of helicopters, but they were training not actual combat jumps. Combat jumps were few and all were static line. He is not a poser from what I can tell, knows all about the S/L and HALO gear and the aircraft too. I am going to see if he knew about the Air America 727 jumps or the Billy W SOG type HALO jumps. It wont tell us who Cooper was but it might tell us how far some of this 727 and US HALO info spread. Any other questions you'd like posed to him? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Oh come on Snow, tell us what you think about Barb Dayton aka LOLA. Too bad these self confessed Coopers are all dead. We could put them on Jerry Springer and they could fight it out over who really was Cooper. Now THAT's entertainment! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Agree, but Waugh may just be a nearly perfect fit (appearance, experience, opportunity, age etc) and not the right guy. How frustrating. Why is it that Snow found two really good matches and none of us found even one? I know, Jo thinks she did, but I am awaiting proof. If you check out Peterson you will find the following: Smoke jumper Boeing tech writer Founded Boeing skydiving club Served in Nam as a civilian advisor Ex US Marine, combat experience Experienced skydiver with night jumps Huge grudge based on US attrocities witnessed in Nam Looks like Cooper sketches, but Billy Waugh is a better match Authored a novel that has some NORJACK parallels So what is it about Snow that lets him scoop a bunch of smart inquisitive colleagues? I don't want to kiss butt so I will leave it as a question rather than a compliment. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Is there some way we can fix that shortcoming Snow? Google sometimes takes a long time to mine stuff. I know an obscure website that for nearly a year was not found by Google. Now all its content appears to be in Google's database. Maybe I have overstated the beacon aspect, but someone looking for DBC stuff would surely find dropzone.com at some point and from there finding this stuff is easy. Jo found this forum so it IS findable by Whuffos. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Bruce has shown us that the CIA has used all three of these techniques, although their success is open to dispute. Don't rule these tools out until you have tried them Snow. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

There might be gridlock on the possibility of a perfect DBC solution arising from this forum, but don't ignore the following beneficial features: 1. Entertainment value. I prefer this forum to junk TV. Maybe National Geographic will blend the medias. 2. Social value, like what are the chances that this motley crew would ever get together in the real world? I actually enjoy this aspect, interacting with really diverse personalities who I otherwise would have no contact with. 3. BEACON VALUE. Sure, we are an obscure forum, but we contain a LOT of possibly relevant info that will be found by search engines. There might be someone out there who actually knows a lot more about Cooper than we do who will be drawn to this info and start posting or use the info here to tie up some loose ends befiore going to the FBI with a good lead. Lighthouses might have been frustrating to those who painted them, repaired them and manned them, but they served a very valuable purpose to ships that had no role in their upkeep. 4. Snow may never be able to conclusively tie Billy W to NORJACK, either because Billy wasn't Cooper or there isnt enough unabiguous evidence to prove anything. Just finding him, however, is noteworthy because it leads to other stuff that might be related to Cooper. You gotta admit that Billy's resemblance to the FBI Cooper sketches is quite close. Snow has found a Super-Cooper candidate even if he isn't the guy who did NORJACK. He is a possible lookalike and is highly qualified as far as skills and experience go. 5. Educational value. I have learned a LOT from postings here even if none of them solves the crime. Some of you have impossibly high standards for this forum and get frustrated when it inevitably fails to meet them. Notch your expectations down and just enjoy the ride. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo has proof that Duane was Cooper, but she can't yet share her evidence. Surely you understand Snow. Why she is worried about such minor details as RH or LH when the case has been solved puzzles me. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Me too. Are the fragments mentioned in any report? I am no hydrologist but I am wondering how small fragments would end up in the same area as a big bundle. Wouldn't the fragments be far more mobile and end up somewhere else if the money came downstream from a remote location? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Surprisingly good written description of parachute construction and deployment. Wish modern journalists did as well. I didn't know those old canopies from the 1920s had the lines continuous through the apex and down the other side, like the C9. I wonder if one survives in airworthy condition? Beatnik would jump it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

No respect please I was just too young and stupid to realise how crap it all was. I jumped the C9 in my profile pic until it literally disintegrated on opening one day I then bought a crap old wonderhog with an old Unit main which I jumped less then 5 times before downsizing to a Wildfire 170... So I assume you cut away from the trashed C9? Did you have to depend on those Jurassic Capewells shown in the photo? Isn't it amazing what marginal gear we trusted our lives to back in the day? A lot of the stuff literally came out of the local military surplus store. Snow, was there ever an era in climbing where a lot of the gear was military surplus? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Wrong Georger. That's my flat out prediction. Orange never quits. Jo quits often, but her return is very dependable. Bruce, Sluggo, Safe and Airtwardo show no signs of abandoning ship. Jerry hangs in there and doesn't get all torqued when someone disagrees with him or questions his conclusions. Take a few days off and cool down Georger. Snow has been pretty cordial lately, so why flee? I enjoy your participation and scientific outlook. You have friends here even if you don't see them as such. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Galen is still investigating but remains confident that Gossett was Cooper. He is interested in learning what others find out about the Tena Bar and the money find. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I wish we had corroboration for the rigging card inspection claim. It would tell us a LOT about Cooper's parachute knowledge. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I am no longer Snow's hired publicist/PR hack Georger. Michael Jackson's man took my job. I have, however, met Snow and you really have him all wrong. I don't expect you to believe me. His posts give few clues to the real Snowmman. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I too got a big chuckle from your post Georger. A hard pull for a commie liberal is just another routine deployment for a real man, one who surely wouldn't have voted Democrat in the last election. Having experienced two REALLY hard panic inducing pulls on surplus gear in the late 60s, I now know that the crusty old Republican rigger to whom I bitterly complained correctly analysed the problem. He told me: "Kid, maybe you need to work out more." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I will add my "attaboy" to Snow's. Few men take on single parenting. Jerry's compliment to Orange takes on a new perspective. Jerry has had to do some mothering of his own in addition to fathering. When there is only one parent raising kids they have to play both roles sometimes. It is noteworthy that Jerry puts parenting rather than soldiering at the top of his pride list. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, Snow raises an interesting point about the weather. Your thoughts? Would you consider making the jump in bad weather to reduce the chances of being tracked and captured? Sounds like the military did use this tactic. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yikes Nigel. Double shot squeeze and pull Capwells too. Scary hardware. Thank goodness I had just "upgraded" to military surplus shot and a half Capewells when I had my first cutaway. That old gear looks so sketchy by todays standards. You get some respect for having jumped it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.