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Speculation: Wouldn't be the first time one TI screwed another one to get their rotation.

Along these lines . . . “No matter how perilous the international landscape, we will maintain our strategic focus and promote the development of a comprehensive China-Russia partnership in the new era,” Wang said. https://thehill.com/policy/international/597136-china-praises-ties-to-russia-sending-aid-to-ukraine My understanding is the "U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $615.2 billion." Russia's contribution of goods and services with "China is $146.9 billion. " If we learned nothing from the pandemic; Communist China (or Russia) should not have a firm grasp on our manufacturing and supply chain. If we propped up Latin, Central America and Canada with a blended distribution of manufacturing and supply between the US and them - wouldn't that benefit everyone? More jobs. less illegal immigration, stronger ties in the Americas? Thoughts.

Due to nine states now having LCM restrictions (Starting with CA back around 1994-6) the manufacturers now put a manufacture date stamp on the magazines. If you're in possession of one that has a date after the bill, it's illegal.

You're right. Fuck Ukraine.

High Explosive Anti-tank rounds (HEAT) or a Warthog from above.

That was the point, Bill. It was absurd. How about stopping the murder of children and civilians in the Ukraine now and any further expansion.

Actually, it was his idea from March 3rd that you posted on March 4th. You also fail to mention that there were six points AND he said then that it needed to be done in the next 24 hours. https://cepa.org/six-ways-to-help-ukraine-survive-right-now/

So, a much more modest zone is not a fly-zone. Got it.

But it is. It's been nine days since post 37 and the United Nations has recorded at least 752 civilian casualties so far across the Ukraine, with 227 killed and 525 injured, including 34 children and 1.2 million refugees. How's your plan going?

What the hell kind of turnaround shit is that? I've been trying to communicate to you and Joe that - we cannot worry about Putin. According to my plan we would have been there by now. You guys are the ones trying to avoid the situation with sanctions and batteries of Air Defense on other borders and humanitarian aid and maybe this and maybe that, and, and . . . Ya know, for someone who went to Ranger school you seem to have forgot about "Follow Me."

Uh huh. I'm sure he'll go for that.

Mr. Putin, we're going to be placing missiles along the borders, but they're just for humanitarian purposes. </sarcasm> The no-fly zone made it to Putin and he said it would be considered an act of war. At some point, he's going to consider supplying munitions to the Ukraine the same.

Think about that.

https://warontherocks.com/2022/03/the-dangerous-allure-of-the-no-fly-zone/

Not unlike global warming - you "simply" don't know what you're talking about. Shooting down an aircraft is not the same as supporting a no-fly zone.

Ken is correct, it would be a declaration of war. SkyDekker is correct that it would require a massive number of ground troops. MetalSlug is also correct - you cannot have air support without a host country and how many are willing to do that right now. A hundred mile no-fly zone would not work from the outcrops of another country and is an effort in futility. The British learned in the American Revolution that you can't fight from the seaports. We learned that in Vietnam and again in Afghanistan. Setting up a no-fly zone over the Ukraine would take hundreds of aircraft. With that comes a symphony of support for maintenance, fuel (think air fueling), a/c weapons, personnel, AWACS, etc. Joe, you know the support a/c requires, now multiply that by hundreds of a/c. Now, add in the number of Air Defense to protect those hundreds of aircraft plus defense against the Russian SAMs (artillery) and the personnel to operate it, then add in the number of support personnel for the air defense. A secondary defense for a no-fly zone people are grunts. By then, we're in it. Bottom line: We're either in it or not. If we're not going to be actively in it, then we might as well just donate money to AirBnB and watch what happens on CNN.

Ways to help. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1082992947/ukraine-support-help

Not you, Sky. You bring up points for discussion. We got stuck on the side of the road for a good hour while the police escorted them through. Not as a matter of legitimacy, but public safety. It was quite the Billy-Joe-Bob Lemming show.

Joe, What I wrote was: "We will be there in 72 hours and ask for your representative to meet with us and the other 29 NATO members. If Russia has not withdrawn by that time, we will begin forward operations 72 hours after our arrival to Ramstein. President Putin: we have no desire to go to war with Russia, but if you do not leave the Ukraine in the next 72 hours; we will. We - us and 29 other NATO allies. (maybe not enough enunciation on my part)

We may have not been invited to the party, but once it turned into a massacre, we shouldn't wait for a cry for help. I'd like to think there is a middle ground, but when it comes to pure evil, I don't think one can negotiate with it.

Is Putin bluffing? What authority did Putin exercise. He's been planning for this for years. No, it's not wrong. It's about as right as one can get. I did in post #37.

Ken, I understand yours and Joe's points. And, it would be nice if we could go down that path alone, but we understand who's playing this game and his intentions. Russia (Putin) did not seek to "bring" the Ukraine back into the Russian empire; he is taking it. He's killing thousands of people to achieve his personal agenda. It would have been nice to have a three-pronged approach (from 2015), but he's not that kind of guy. By contrast, still others will want to short-circuit escalation, saying that Mr Putin must be stopped before it is too late. As images of suffering emerge from the ruins of Ukraine’s cities, calls are going up for nato to do something, such as to create a no-fly zone. However, enforcing one requires shooting down Russian aircraft and destroying Russian air-defences. Instead, nato needs to preserve a clear line between attacking Russia and backing Ukraine, while leaving no doubt that it will defend its members." https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/03/05/when-vladimir-putin-escalates-his-war-the-world-must-meet-him?utm_medium=social-media.content.np&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial-social&utm_content=discovery.content My view was and still is that a large presence on his doorstep is a balance of deterrence and compellence. I fear we are a week too late. What happens in the next week is particularly concerning to me. I do not wish to bury more soldiers, but I also don't wish for another genocide that we see playing out. We put on the pickle suit for a reason.

See post #37.

Canadian TVs don't have a channel selector?

No argument. I do appreciate a couple of perspectives on here, but please don't tell them I said that - it only encourages 'em. :)