BIGUN

Now that Tim has called us "Jackasses" (in a most loving way ).... Allow me to expand on the responses. First, please always feel like you can ask a question here. I think most of us (and the 49 who voted, "no") hear something like this and envision, "soaking" a canopy down and get scared for you and not really trying to beat you up as much as placing emphasis. What Tim has said is true. but, humidity is different than spraying water. We know that there are "x" particles of moisture per "Y" million parts of air which disperses evenly across the canopy, rig, etc. Spraying water is more of, "How do you ensure that not too much is sprayed in one area which can cause pockets of water inside the cells, which can lead to damage. It's better to pack slow and right and wrestle the demon for the first 30 jumps or so than to look for alternative solutions that may cause more harm as a short-term fix to wrestling. Hope that un-jackasses meself and encourages you to feel free to ask questions. It wasn't a stupid question, just one for concern. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I voted "NO" because "Hell NO" was not an option. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

If they are arrested and convicted, some states have a "Crime Victim Restitution Fund" (or some other such name). When sentenced, part of the Judge's fine includes the amount that was stolen from you, the criminal has to pay the courts and the courts pay you. Having said that; sometimes it is for the whole amount; other times you get an apportionment; other times you get nada. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Dammit. Sid beat me to posting Sid's site this time. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

While the introduction of new information to the dynamics of the relationship may have been initially devastating, perhaps he'll think about it and realize the reasons he loves her outweigh her age. And, maybe he'll understand her fears in telling him. I suspect he wasn't originally a candidate for a long-term relationship and what started out as a white-lie became darker as the relationship grew. I do think the radio broadcast was in poor taste and should've been done in person. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

It is according to the book. However, here is the problem that most DZ's understandably have... myself included... You have a student that you've never jumped with before. Suddenly, you're doing a Cat D (The old AFF Level 4) AND you cannot take a harness hold exit, nor pull for the student at pull time. Kinda some cause for concern. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Hmmmm... female driving down the road with a tag that says... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Yup. Cat D. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

"Oh; well there you go, you're a Liberal Arts major." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

The 2,500 foot decision-making altitude is used as a tool for students who cannot determine whether they have a good canopy or bad canopy by that altitude. If you cannot decide by 2,500' - that is when the decision to cutaway is made. You decided earlier than 2,500' - so what? Bees, trees, money, - so what? In my opinion, it's better to cutaway a good canopy and be wrong, than to not cutaway a bad canopy and be wrong. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

No real big surprise here. Most students have difficulty with AFF/4. In fact, I feel confident in saying that most of the students who walk away do so at level 4. A lot of it has to do with dropping your legs and de-arching during the turn. Here's a little homework you can do at home before your next Cat D dive. Lay on the floor in an arch with your feet resting on the wall. Press slightly on the wall with yor toes so you feel the equal pressure. Then just drop you right arm to turn right and you left to turn left. EMPHASIZE the arch while you're doing it. 90% of the students with your problem, de-arch to make the turn, drop a leg and the "wobbly" starts. There's nothing that says the turns have to be done in two seconds. Just arch, keep your feet even and and drop one arm ever so slightly and look in that direction (where you point your nose is the direction you will turn). Relax, know that you're not the only one, don't overamp the day of your jump and just relax and do it smooth and slow. Don't give up. Sidebar: in the Army helicopter flight school course, students eventually have to learn to hover. The Instructor always tells them to try to remember everything they're doing until the day they hot the "hover button." Once they hit the "Hover button" they'll never be able to do the same stunts they did while trying to find the "hover button." Same thing in skydiving. Once you find the turn button, you'll wonder why it was so difficult. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Thank you. Part of my safety habits come from the US Army Airborne and Jumpmaster schools, the other part comes from observing and listeneing to those who came before me... One of most important lessons I learned was in packing.... Line order, line tension, inspect your gear at the end of each weekend, rather than the recommended monthly. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I flaked out of both Skyfest and WFFC this year. Started a new job a week and a half before. It's a bytch being an adult sometimes. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Mostly, when something like that happens, people are apologizing because they think they affected someone else's day negatively. Most times, people are worried about the skydiver and the skydiver is worried about affecting them. It's all about caring for each other. Let it go. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You're welcome... as you know, just reciting what we read in the IRM Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You're welcome (changed to Bigun) Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

No worries, mate. It's kinda like packing - a little different isn't the same as wrong. I have a bit of an advantage on most because of my length. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

How bored will you be if you downsize too quickly and find yourself busted up, in the hospital, with six months of physical therapy? According to your profile, you've got 15 jumps. Take your time, downsize in steps, follow BillVon's downsizing checklist (Safety Section) for each step down prior to downsizing again. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

A coach can teach the generic portions of the first jump course (most everything except the dive flow), give the oral exams, etc. They can take students on Categories G & H. The introductions to group freefall - swooping, adjusting freefall rate with the formation, docking, etc. And, train/observe those canopy control and landing objectives as defined on the "A" license proficiency card. As discussed in a similar thread, the intent of introduction to group freefall is for the Coach to act as the formation allowing the student to have a physical reference to "target." While the "intent" is not clearly defined, they can slowly introduce three and four ways towards the latter part of their 25 dive program. And, while not also clearly defined as to who can be in those three or four ways, we have a rule of thumb that it must be another Coach or someone whose got a couple hundred jumps and done lotsa formation work, not someone with 30 or 40 jumps. A Coach may take grips to exit, may use the AFF hand signals to assist the student, but may NOT pull for a student at pull time. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Ahh, O.K. Got it. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Most of the DZs I've been to and our policy has been (as you stated): As I stated earlier, sometimes you'll get a Coach that is a little over the line and you've got to put a stop to it. It's really been my experience that most DZ's utilize the progression you mention in section one. You do know that you can make specific recommendations to the USPA S&TA Director regarding suggestions for clarifying "Intent" in the next SIMS version? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Is this the one that was also a might overloaded on weight also? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

It is hard to visualize textually, but I'll try. First,I should share with you that I've got a 38" each. Picture me on the step with both feet squatting down facing forward, left hand on the strut, right hand in their back in the burble. The student is hanging on the strut and I give the the "Go" command. As soon as they let go, I flick my arm back and down at about eight o'clock from their position and to the rear As the P/C catches air and begins inflatig, they too are falling. By throwing it at their eight o'clock as they release, the P/C come to about nine-o'clock (perpendicular to them) catches the air and whips behind them. That help? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'm thinking that most 100 way L/O's are going to have a lot of input on that. The intent was to have the coach be the "group" and to learn the proper procedures for swooping, docking, et.al. before moving up to four ways. Having said that, there has been more than once that I've had to time-out a group going up with someone wth 10-12 jumps on a four way; so you're right the opportunity to misinterpret is there.. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Whatever you decide, it'll have to nekid!! Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.