BIGUN

Contact namgrunt on here, he'll be happy to show you around them thar parts of Nawrthern Georgia. Leave the Forty Creek in the fridge alone. It's mine and it ain't gonna help you shave no pounds. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=namgrunt; Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Sorz worked best for me. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Southern... Go figure. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Please read the Cypres manual. Depending on the speed of the malfunction at which you pass thru the firing range - it may not fire. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Based on this sentence: The picture I get from your narrative is that one hand was trapped by a steering line and one hand was free. If that is the case, then [this is just me] I would have cut the steering line above my finger to have two free hands and then made a decison as to 1) whether to chop the main and go reserve, or 2) cut the other steering line and fly and land the canopy with risers. Having said that, it would be much better to get with an Instructor or S&TA at your local DZ and re-inact the scenario and discuss face-to-face just in case we're not picturing it correctly. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Consider purchasing a knife for your rig and getting some instruction on its use. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Shouldn't this go in Frenchy's "Men's Forum?" Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

All you could want for an answer and more.... http://www.dropzone.com/safety/Gear_and_Equipment/index.shtml Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

It has to do with the psychology of learning, not the instructional methodology. We all know that each dive has an exit, dive-flow, canopy control and landing. However, for the first few dives for S/L students, it's about 4 seconds of exit & dive flow and about the 3-4 minutes of canopy control. It's about how they organize their thoughts to the majority of the time spent after exiting the aircraft. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I understand. I got my rating as a TI at Spacelend and the owner is one of the people who developed the AFP (IAF) program and taught me how to implement it. I think it is an awesome program and had it been developed before AFF, I doubt there would be AFF. (Paraphrasing some one else's logic). I took that program and made a couple of changes (when I had a 182 DZ), we did three learning tandems, FJC, then two IADs (which satisifies the low altitude exit and focuses on canopy control), then went back to the top with a AFF Instructor for a CAT C dive. That's the beauty of the ISP program. It's about getting the A License in 25 dives, not about soloing in 7-8 dives. It's been my experreince that there's less stress on the student and higher student retention by focusing on 25 dives. Students don't have to "flunk" a dive, they just remain in a Category until the TLO's are met. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Oh pushaw... tweren't nuthin. I learned from Curly Roe. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Curly Roe in Texas OKLAHOMA!! From whence Tahlequah & Muskogee was the skydiving Mecca to which all skydivers were obligated to make an annual trek and pay homage to the SCR beer gods... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Oh my... S/L IUD AAD PLF DRP DRCP PRCP IAD AFF AFP Now, IAF (although I kinda like this better than AFP) 'nuff acronyms to make any student need CPR after two trips to the DZ. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Sorry for not responding, Max. Forgot to turn on the "Watch Thread" thingy and been traveling. Nope, when I posted this, he hadn't made it offical yet, but I think there's enough sabre rattling that he'll go for it and I agree that he'd make a strong contender. Now, having said that, I've grown cautious over the years to look for moments of self-explosion. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

S/L - Yes IAD - Yes Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Joe, Thanks for expanding on your previous thread. More enlightment now that it's been explained. I'm not sure what to say at this point as it seems you've been diligent in your responsibilities in communicating to both the town and the CO only for it to fall on deaf ears. I found myself in a situation once here in Tulsa, where the town was having a big festival and wanted our demo team to jump into Driller Stadium. I went and reconned the area and holy shit... Power lines in the pattern, street traffic, the public, bleachers, winds outta the south coming over the bleacher roof creating eddies, parking lots, signage, the whole bit. Now, landing on the pitcher's mound for most of us ain't no big deal (and I can sink my PD 300 Demo canopy almost straight down), it's the approach and the outs that are more important and I followed TK's line of "Fuck NO!" My only sugggestions at this point would be to 1) Go over the CO's head and document the history and sheer luck that no one was injured, 2) take it to city council, and 3) if city council snubs you, the newspapers would be interested in an OpEd piece. The down side of that is, it don't do much for our sport. Good Luck, Joe. On a separate note, I'm behind schedule on visiting sister in KC and when I get up there; maybe we can hook up. I'll give you a heads up when I head in that direction. Keith Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Popsjumper can still get it up. We could miss a whole day of jumping waiting on that to happen. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Then where are his professional observations for prevention, suggestions, or education? Whereas, you proffer the jumping of a smaller flag and sum it up perfectly, "Learn to say NO for fuck's sake." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

All the suggestions made here are great third person observations and historical perspectives of the Vietnam War. For some first person observations, you may wish to review: "One Shot-One Kill" by Charles Sasser and Craig Roberts. Any of Leonard B. Scott's books (IMO, "The Hill and "the Last Run" were two of his best). "Taking Fire" by Ron Alexander and Charles Sasser. And for an absolutely riveting, can't put down, and shocker ending, I suggest "Chickenhawk" by Robert Mason. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'm curious about some things. 1. What is your objective for posting this thread, pics and names here? Is it educational, venting, what? 2. For the amount of time you spent posting this thread, you could have already wrote to the team CO and focused your concerns to the proper audience rather than a public forum (sometimes a well aimed single shot is a lot more effective than a shotgun blast). 3. Most military operations have/do an After-Action Report. Perhaps you could present your input to the Team Commander as a supplement to that report from a fellow professional's perspective so they can review your input for future operations rather than giving the appearance of just providing a rant. 4. I notice you have your PRO rating. Is there a reason you haven't approached the town about doing the demo if there is that much concern? 5. On that note, have you considered offering your services to the CO as ground to air support or as Advance Party for the demo? Finally, if it's a matter of having the military make the demo jump because it's a military event, you may wish to consider your letter to the CO in a more constructive manner than the posting here or you may force the CO into a position of pulling the demo event all together in the future. On a final note, I'm not trying to pick an Internet argument with you, nor am I saying they did a particularly splendid job on the demo - I'm just suggesting that as an ambassador for the sport, there's a better way of achieving your objectives of making the event better and safer than the medium and method chosen here. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You lookin for a spankin too? Cause I'll be in California this year also. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Hmmm... Just so happens Bigun will be in the Seattle area in July. Wouldn't that make a heckuva picture to put on dropzone.com. Me bent over Amazon's knee with a paddle over her head. Wonder if that would make the dz.com 2008 calendar? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Bonfire = Fiction If the repost police come after me, we'll just tell them I'm too big to spank and too drunk to reason with - fair enough? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Scientists have determined that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli, (E. coli) - bacteria found in feces. In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do NOT run that risk when drinking wine,r rum, whiskey or other liquor because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling, filtering and/or fermenting. Remember: Water = Poop, Alcohol = Health Therefore, it's better to drink alcohol and talk stupid, than to drink water and be full of shit. There is no need to thank me for this valuable information: I'm doing it as a public service. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Yeah, I probably said that wrong. Camp Blanding is the main NG base, but they do some training at Pine Castle. It's not some top secret area 51 type facility or sumpin. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.