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Bill Newell wrote an article in "Parachutist" about the early days of skydiving (the 1960's) and the reviews were appreciative. Over the next couple of months, I'm going to be compiling information to write a factual series article about the days of skydiving in Muskogee & Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Consider it a Part II - the second generation of skydiving. The article will be segmented into two era's; the 70's & the 80's. If you have any factual information & pics regarding the timeframe from 1972 (?) until 1990 jumping at the Nationals, etc., please post a reply or send the info to my email address on dizzy.com. I'd like to also incorporate changes in equipment during the period of the 70's to 80's. Thanks in advance. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

J, Could you clarify this, please? Is this for a certain event in Texas on those dates or has Bill waved it for any DZ in the country during those dates? Keith Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Bad question to answer on the Internet. Good question for the oldest crustiest Instructor at your DZ. Have them take you out and show you. While you're at it, have them review a sloping and/or flat rooftop landing with you. Not putting you off for any reason other than it's performance-oriented and best demonstrated with an Instructor in front of you. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'll call you an old tandem instructor... Interesting that we have to mentality chant on the ride up, "Don't throw the drogue, don't throw the drogue" on a regular skydive [smiley face - no workie] Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

A lot of us use the cloud base and tops against our altimeters on the way up as a visual frame of reference during freefall. I _think_ what you're trying to communicate is humming thru the 1500" cloud deck and not immediately going silver? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

All of them. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

No... but I do take them out to the knee high bush and have them demonstrate. Just as I took them over to the pool and/or pond with a training harness on and have them demonstrate, Just as I walk them up to the building and have them demostrate a side of the building PLF Just as we go over to the power lines and have them stand in front of them and rehearse it for me. Yeah, I'm a prick when it comes to training. But here again, it's why my classes have pre-class studies, start on Thursday evenings, have homework and carry over to most of Saturday and if need be, run on till Sunday. You should see the PLF and parachute packing classes. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Some things should be left to the police... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

or until the slowest student consistently answers my questions demonstrates proficiency? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

In another thread, jojo69 stated: To me, this was a very profound statement. There is a big difference in how people learn based on race, nationality, gender, age. As I watch FJC's at different DZ's, one can see a trend towards a teaching factory based on time rather than ensuring everyone in the class gets it. Teaching skydiving is not like teaching academia, where we throw the information out there and _hope_ they get it. This is performance-oriented training where we need to ensure that knowledge is placed in each students hand and the _definately_ get it. The FJC is not based on a factor of time, but on a factor of knowledge transfer ( I once had a Course Director tell methat if you spend more than 3 hours teaching the FJC, you're taking too long). The skydiving FJC is not an off-the-shelf training package. Instructors must identify and modify their training methodology accordingly. Once upon a time, the USPA required everyone to go through a BIC course before embarking on their path of becoming an Instructor. It was an abbreviated class based on the military's Instructor's Training Course (ITC). It taught those who were technically proficient how to teach so that others may learn and in my opinion made a difference. Personally, I'd like to see the BIC course come back. There is a new generation of Instructors coming up in the ranks and understanding the receptors of the learning process is an important component of being a good Instructor. Have we lost something by doing away with the BIC? Opening the the floor for discussion... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

IMO, It's not unusual while in a relationship to tell the other party(ies) that we need a break. And, let's admit it, most of us have a relationship with DZ.com. And, just as with individual relationships, telling them a break is needed (from the group) which is sometimes followed with some questions as to "why" and the person needing the break feels some deserving members of the group are entitled some explanation a couple of times before the break actually occurs. I have never met Shari, but have enjoyed her discourse on here just as I have yours, others and even those we disagree with on occasion. While we may not know each other personally, we know what kind of person they are as a member of this and the skydiving community. I have noticed a general deterioration over the past year or so of the way people communicate with each other on here as this community grows and have noticed more and more of the "originals" either taking a break or leaving for good. This has been my DZ away from the DZ since 2001 (when I was then "Nightjumps") and as with my real DZ feel a sense of loss when one who's been here for awhile feels compelled to have to take a break; not unlike when a fellow skydiver moves away or drops out of the sport. I wish her well; hope she doesn't slam the door too hard so as it's not too difficult to open again and returns someday (with the same avatar of course) Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Nothing special to show.... Solid Navy Blue with a Silver A on the back and silver Icon/AeroDyne on the sides. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I don't think it's just about being a registered voter anymore. You just be lucky. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

No. But it always seems like when I need to reload my staple gun, some other bastard has used the last box!!! Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Ouch!! Damn lack of canopy control! Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I will admit that the elastic band and adjuster on the Sorz initially allowed for some slippage and issues, however, once I adjusted it tight, then took the excess and tied a knot in the band next to the adjuster on the "loosen" side... no more problem. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Boneheads. They should test the upgrade before deploying it. Nothing like a time-stealer thanks to technology, huh? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/ff035adb-411d-40f3-8f9f-23e158f7b8be1033.mspx If you "can" post the website here, let others test it before you beat on them about it being their site. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You can also go to "Who's Online" to see if they are. Check their profile and see if they have an AIM, MSN or ICQ username posted. If not, PM them to see if they want to exchange. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

As I was reading your thread and looking at the pictures formulating the same reply Arvel gave you. Looks great, worked out well... but same length, nonsteerables would be something to consider. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Contact namgrunt on here, he'll be happy to show you around them thar parts of Nawrthern Georgia. Leave the Forty Creek in the fridge alone. It's mine and it ain't gonna help you shave no pounds. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=namgrunt; Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Sorz worked best for me. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Southern... Go figure. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Please read the Cypres manual. Depending on the speed of the malfunction at which you pass thru the firing range - it may not fire. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Based on this sentence: The picture I get from your narrative is that one hand was trapped by a steering line and one hand was free. If that is the case, then [this is just me] I would have cut the steering line above my finger to have two free hands and then made a decison as to 1) whether to chop the main and go reserve, or 2) cut the other steering line and fly and land the canopy with risers. Having said that, it would be much better to get with an Instructor or S&TA at your local DZ and re-inact the scenario and discuss face-to-face just in case we're not picturing it correctly. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.