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Thanks, but that statistic may work in Chi-Town, but not in Tulsa and it didn't work for her.

I'm sorry you misinterpreted or misunderstood my sources.

My feels are the result of an undocumented person killing someone I knew. That is a fact.

Don't be so hard on the UK, Brother. They're trying to do better.

But. But. They anonymized the data!

True. But, anecdotal evidence matters to the person.

Like I said earlier, you're not familiar with all the interlacing of US law. Instead of attacking me; your argument should be: Two days ago, Trump invoked Title 10 - with serious questionable authority. To do that; it had to reach the level of rebellion (which is an organized and violent attempt to overthrow or undermine the government); which this is not. Protests are lawful free speech rights and even though there is some chaos and violence - the threshold of rebellion does not exist. That should be the focus.

Unless you know someone close to your family who has been killed by a noncitizen. Some folks don't give a shit about the laws in their own country, much less ours.

You don't understand the difference between martial law and assisting law enforcement as defined in the laws that not only I posted; but you posted.

Love your debate tactic. You don't know enough about Martial law, Posse Comitatus, or how they all interlace with the 14th amendment, but wrap it all up in a gaslighting technique.

That's still not martial law, Joe. https://fortune.com/2025/06/08/national-guard-troops-los-angeles-trump-ice-insurrection-act-posse-comitatus/

"Exceptions" 10 U.S.C. §§ 271-284.

Ken, you do not cite a source, so I don't know where you got this, but it is inaccurate. The Posse Comitatus Act creates a general rule that it is unlawful for federal military forces to engage in civilian law enforcement activities - even if they are merely supplementing rather than supplanting civilian authorities - except when doing so is expressly authorized by Congress. ~Jennifer K. Elsea, The Posse Comitatus Act and Related Matters: The Use of the Military to Execute Civilian Law, CRS report no. R42659 (Washington, DC: Congressional Research Service, 2018) The Posse Comitatus Act and Related Matters.pdf

If you'd read the article I posted. Obama counted the rest in his numbers from those repelled at the border. Those were his numbers, not mine. Martial law cannot be enacted by the President. It has to be done at the state level.

I'l buy you a Melon Harvester

Different Perspective Clinton Deportations: 12,000,000+ Bush Deportations: 10,000,000+ Obama Deportations: 5,000,000+ including a three-year period between fiscal 2012 and 2014 when there were more than 400,000 per year. Trump in this term: 139,000 and border crossings are down 95% 27,000,000 Undocumented in this country over the past 30 years. Crime from undocumented alone has quadrupled in the past seven years. For me; the open door policy (Biden 10,000,000+) has to stop. Open up more ports of entry and come into the country legally, vetting process, sponsor families etc. What I disagree with is Trump finding ways around the court system to deport people without a hearing (Due Process). Stop the open doors, open ports, when undocumented are "identified" begin due process and vett them properly. If they been paying taxes, good members of the community. no history of crime in their country of origin. then there needs to be a pathway. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/obama-record-deportations-deporter-chief-or-not https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics The first two paragraphs of the Raw Story were inaccurate (False).

Afternoon, Jerry. Truth. I hadn't even thought of him in a long time. I notice the article refers to Govenor Moore.

Scripps Oceanography scientists calculated a May monthly average of 430.2 ppm for 2025, an increase of 3.5 ppm over May 2024’s measurement of 426.7 ppm. Scientists with NOAA’s Global Monitoring Laboratory reported an average of 430.5 ppm, an increase of 3.6 ppm over last year. https://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/annual-carbon-dioxide-peak-passes-another-milestone It started being measured in 1958ish where it was less than 320 ppm. It passed 400 ppm in 2013. https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/ I wonder at what point does it hockey stick on us and accelerate to 500 PPM in much less time.

Afternoon, Jerry. I looked at the site. I would donate if it were more a bipartisan or Independent's focused pac. It is good to see a grass roots movement for changing out the old guard. Maybe some momentum.

I've started a movement. Former White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, a prominent fixture in Democratic politics and the face of the Biden administration for years, is leaving the party and registering as an independent, according to a press release about her upcoming book. In her book, "Independent: A look inside a broken White House, outside the party lines," Jean-Pierre "shares why Americans must step beyond party lines to embrace life as Independents," https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/former-biden-white-house-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-says-leavi-rcna210966

That's no bullshit.

When I retired, I was asked to sit on the City's disaster mitigation committee. We spent a year in assessment, then writing the report that FEMA would accept (think APA for the goverment). The improvements according to the plan to make the city safer took about five years.

After Katrina; one of the solutions I proposed to FEMA regarding the homes in New Orleans was to use the Corps of Engineers to rebuild the city. It could have been a capstone project for MOS classes. Evidently, there is a law that the corps, nor the military can help individuals; only the general population. It was interesting to go to FEMA, cause every time I walked in one whole side of the table was attorneys. I suggested someone write a bill to change the law. It fell on deaf ears.

Congratulations. I don't know that Lisa knows that DZ.com has resurfaced as Skydive Forums.

Let's talk about this. Elimination - no. Since Katrina, Wilma, Ike, etc. The static budget for FEMA grew to an approximate 80 Billion. It should only take 20 Billion to run FEMA with supplemental appropriations during major catastophic events. As with any federal empire; it's based on budget. So, once they started getting a static budget for the empire - they tried to hang on to it. That empire is too bloated. In my opinion, the insurance companies are trying to offload their responsibilities and dump on FEMA. On that note, I think that Homeland security, FEMA and several other agencies that overlap in mission and budget should be re-engineered.