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Joe Kennedy was a disgrace. You are right he was a disgrace. Made his fortune in illegal trade, bootlegging. Hobnobbed with gangster. He was anti-semitic and had pro-nazi views. He made money trading in Czech securities while ambassador and also did trade with top secret information. The guy was nothing more than a crimminal and cared about nothing but power. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I agree. He seems to have done his homework and has consistently lobbied for his causes, for quite some time. Most celebrities make token appearances, giving the impression they are mainly interested in boasting their image. Hold on there NC, the universe is about to shift as I agree that most celebs are only in it for the photo op. Bono is consistent and has done alot of good. I am happy that people with AIDS are getting the help they need but, sad that the focus is only on Africa when there are many right here in the US who get zero medical care and are not eligible to recieve medication, myself being one of those people. I would like to see a portion of my tax dollars come back to help myself and others here in the US. Sucks being a minority that no one gives a damn about. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Alright, I do agree with that. For the record, I am not for total gun control. I do believe, however, that there is a need for limited control. I do know legal gun owners who shouldn't have a gun due to their drinking habits and their quick tempers. There was a time when I, myself, should not have had a gun due to my drinking habit and quick temper. 12 years sober

Repubs, Dems... really, are not one the same as the other, only with a different name? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

At no time did I ever say "less law abiding". Here, I'll spell it out for you real nice and slow so that you can understand, J-U-S-T A-S L-I-K-E-L-Y. If you should need further help please contact an interpeter. As for statistics, doing your own freaking research. After you, my friend...your "likelyhood" of committing crimes doesn't trump the FACT that CCW holders are proven to commit less crimes. I have searched for a statistic to your "FACT" and found none. Please provide a link as my search proved to be futile. For what it is worth, I am a gun owner and have owned guns for 40 years. In those years I have commited a few crimes. Got locked up for a concealed weapons charge in California. A buck knife, in the case, on my belt that my jacket barely covered. A crap, trumped up charge. To hear you put it, legal gun owners never commit crimes. Anyone is likely to commit crime, be it small or large. Ask any cop. As my nephew puts it (he is a cop) "everyone is a suspect". "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I've read the same wiki page you quote... but of course, I'm the one that needs history lessons because I'm not asserting Grampa Prescott was a Nazi? I also noted how you DIDN'T have anything to say about the other people listed in my post... selective blindness, perhaps? Amazon has stated here in the forum that she has relatives that were involved in the KKK... by your logic, you should be calling her a racist. I didn't quote from wiki. I linked from http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush_Eugenics.html. But, of course, you will balk as it seems to be of your nature to do so when your narrow view is threatened by truth. The same quote may very well be on the wiki site. I tend not to use wiki. Also, I never asserted that PB was a Nazi, only that he had a big hand in providing support. Do some research. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

At no time did I ever say "less law abiding". Here, I'll spell it out for you real nice and slow so that you can understand, J-U-S-T A-S L-I-K-E-L-Y. If you should need further help please contact an interpeter. As for statistics, doing your own freaking research. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Do some research on the UBC, the Holland-American Trading Company, Merchants of Death, The Hamburg American Line. True he had but one share on paper but he made 1.5 million from that one share. Hmmmm, something is smelling like shit. A quik run down on Prescott Bush: Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't illegal until Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act. By then, many companies that had been doing business with Hitler's war machine had stopped, though not Prescott Bush and the Union Banking Corporation. Toby Rogers, a controversial antagonist, writes "Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American solders in combat against Germany." On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City. Prescott Bush's business interests seized under the Act in October and November 1942 included: Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers-Harriman) Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman) the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman) Silesian-American Corporation (with Walker) Your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Also, there should be mention of who armed the Nazi war machine and made a fortune doing so. Prescott Bush. Yup, the Bush fortune came from the blood of the millions killed due to their cozy relationship with Hitler. Damn, those Bush's are so freaking dirty with blood money it is not at all funny. And the tradition continues today. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

For almost 30 years, Nazi groups in the US have been practically invisible. They're a non-issue. Can the same be said for Germany? Becoming invisible does not mean they are a non-issue. Do you have any evidence of them being an issue? Or is this just an attempt to confuse matters? Perhaps you could provide some figures on Neo-Nazi crimes/incidents in recent history. I just did a fast search and found a good number incidents involving nazi groups not only in the US but in other countries as well. Just because they are not upfront and in the limelight does not mean they are not active. It is the groups that wish to remain mostly unseen that are of the greatest danger. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Shouldn't the title be "Yet another example of the Uk going down the loo...."? Just trying to be culturely correct. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

It would be quite difficult for that to happen seeing that Mr. Rogers died 4 years ago. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Oh, how times have changed. When we funded them, they were freedom fighters. Not saying that Iran has the right. Only saying that it is a two way street. Personaly, I rather see the Taliban wiped off the face of the planet. But they have served a purpose and provided protection to the US oil industry to stretch a pipeline across Afghanistan. If anyone is to blame for what the Taliban was allowed to do, it is the US for turning a blind eye. Had our government stayed more involved in Afghanistan, we might not be in the box we are today. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

World war 11? I am only aware of WW1 and 2. I must had slept through the last 10 world wars. Only kidding. I know what you mean. Besides, why blame the people of Germany? Blame their government. The soldiers are no more responsible than any other soldier cast into the atrocity of war. Would you blame the soldiers in Iraq for all the death and destruction? Or, would you blame the government that cast them into quagmire? The soldier has very little choice but to fight. I blame those who hold the controls. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

What evidence? How can it be self evident when there is no substantial proof of such. Because there is a tree? Because a child is born? because we exist? Because the bible says so? These types of things are no more proof that a god exist than a history book telling us that dinosaurs exist. We know that dinosaurs exist because there is physical proof. Solely saying that something exist is not proof. That is extremely laughable. This Ray Comfort guy should stay away from LSD. Obvious he is riding the astral plane. Rubbish! Science has taught us of space and time. The church has long denied these types of findings. Only after they could no longer deny the proof did the church spin it to try and make it their own. Time will always exist. Our understanding of space is not by faith but, by cold hard proof derived from real research. Saying that ones faith is proof that god exist is no more proof than someone saying that they have faith that unicorns exist therefore they exist. Does this logic apply to unicorns, also? Insufficient cerebrum? We are far from insufficient as we are constantly evolving. Our knowledge of life has leaped over the highest hurdles. We can create life in a test tube. We can harvest body parts from a pig! We can clone animals. We have mapped the human genome. We can send probes to the far bounderies of our galaxy. We have seen the birth and the death of a star. We have witnessed new galaxies forming. It is only a short matter of time when we leap far past these accomplishments. Our minds have no bounderies. We are who we are. We are god. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

CCW holders are just as likely to commit a crime as any other person. Legal gun owners are just as likely to commit murder as an illegal gun owner. Solely being legal does not mean that a person has been magically converted to the most law abiding of all citizens. Anyone of us could just as easily turn a 180 and go off the deep end for any given reason and commit a murder. A good friend of mine, Don Meese, never been in trouble his entire life untill one day in 1994. Something happened and, for some reason, he flipped out and put a shotgun in a guys mouth after he made him lie down on the driveway of his house and unloaded a double barrel shotgun in the guys mouth. He is now doing life without parole at Potosi max security prison. There is not a person alive who can say that they will never be able to commit murder. Given the right (or wrong) circumstance, anything is possible. If you can say, with certainty, what is going to happen, without doubt, in your future, how about cluing me in on some winning lotto numbers. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

From the MSD website. WHY DO YOU NEED AN MSD? Most performance enthusiasts know that one of the first things you do to increase power from a vehicle is to add an ignition with a hotter spark, such as an MSD. If you really stop and think about this, why isn't just one small spark sufficient? In the cylinder you have a finely atomized mixture of oxygen and highly combustible fuel under compression. Common sense would say that if just one tiny spark occurs, there will be a big explosion and combustion of the air/fuel mixture will occur in the cylinder. The problem lies in our basic assumptions. Under perfect conditions a single small spark is all that would be necessary for combustion. However, variables occur during each engine cycle that produce less than ideal combustion conditions. For example, large variations occur in the atomization of the fuel molecules. Long manifold runners, chamber turbulence, poorly tuned fuel systems, overly rich mixtures etc. all vary the air/fuel composition in the cylinders and therefore affect the combustion. Many other factors vary in the combustion process so that perfect combustion conditions rarely exist and the air/fuel molecule composition at the spark plug is never the same from engine cycle to engine cycle. These variations change the time that it takes to burn the cylinder contents on each engine cycle and this is a major cause of lost power, performance and efficiency. The result of these variations is that you can never tune for one condition as the conditions change. A good analogy of these changing conditions can be made using a common wood 2x4 and a kitchen match. In the first instance, the 2x4 is cut into fine shavings. A single kitchen match can be use to quickly ignite and burn all the wood. This is representative of finely atomized air/fuel molecules in a cylinder being ignited by a single, small spark produced by a stock ignition. Under these favorable conditions the stock ignition worked fine. Now let's take the same 2x4 and try to ignite it whole using the kitchen match. This is very difficult to do as it takes time for the heat to build and for combustion to start. If we ever do get the 2x4 to burn, it will take much longer than burning the 2x4 cut into shavings. This is the difference between having lots of finely atomized droplets in a cylinder and having a few large droplets that are difficult to ignite. Since the composition of these droplets vary from one engine cycle to the next, the rate of burning also varies between engine cycles. These variations affect power, performance and fuel economy. How do you overcome these variances in burn times? To answer this, lets go back to our 2x4 analogy. This time, lets's change the kitchen match to powerful flame thrower. If you ignite the solid 2x4 with the flame thrower, the wood is going to burn and be consumed just as fast as if you ignited the 2x4 shavings with a flame thrower. The superior ignition of the flame thrower provides instantaneous and complete combustion of the wood, no matter what the composition of the molecules. There are no variances in the burning times of the 2x4s as there is no smoldering or heat build-up time. The wood is ignited and burned at the same rate no matter what form it was in. In the real world, this is how an MSD Ignition works. At low rpm the MSD produces a series of sparks during each firing instead of one like a conventional ignition. At low engine speeds when the air/fuel molecules are not finely atomized, the multiple spark feature still ignites the mixture. But this isn't the only feature. The number of sparks produced by the MSD Is reduced as engine rpm increases simply because "time" becomes too short to repeat a spark. However, the spark series always lasts for 20 degrees of crankshaft rotation no matter what the rpm and no matter whether it is a single spark or a series of four or five spark. This 20 degree duration spark sequence insures that the air/fuel mixture is ignited and completely burned. Also each spark the MSD produces is an extremely high current spark. Current is like the heat of the flamethrower. Current is what actually does the work or in this case ignites the fuel mixture. Together, the multiple sparks, the high current and the 20 degree duration, produce an ignition that is superior to any other ignition. More importantly though, the MSD Ignition ignites the fuel mixture in the cylinder instantly and insure complete combustion, no matter what the molecular composition is. The result is reduced variations in burn times and therefore more engine power, better throttle response, easier starting and better fuel economy. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Not so. Ask anyone who has been around racecars and streetrods. A weak ignition means a weak engine. If ignition had very little to do with burning the fuel, companies such as Accel, D.U.I., Mallory or MSD would not be sought after for high performance ignitions. NASCAR and NHRA teams do not use stock ignitions due to their weak spark. One of the first things that a streetrodder sends to the waste bin is the weak stock ignition. Stock HEI systems have weak coils and unreliable HEI amplifier modules. Past a certian rpm point, such as 4500 rpm, you simply are not burning all of your fuel resulting in cylinder load up. A stock coil puts out, I'm guessing, about 30,000 volts? Where as a performance coil gives you 45,000 to over 50,000 volts and burns the fuel more completely. Other componets come into play such as spark plugs (plug type and gap is extremely important), modules for dwell control for coil charging, spark wires that are compatible for your system, a high performance distributor to get the fire where it belongs (advance weights and springs, bushings, capacitor, rotor and cap as well as bearings and the vacuum advance cannister), a good timing chain (a slack chain causes erratic timing making all the other parts not able to perform their duty), properly adjusted valves, properly prepared heads (valve grinds, seats, springs), a compatible intake system (whether it's carburator, TBI or FI) and exhaust system. Any of these things that are not up to snuff will cause problems, loss of HP, weak acceleration and low mpg. The ignition system is the heart of your engine. Any amount of fuel that is not burned throughout the ignition stroke is fuel lost. Even with closed loop systems there are variables that come into play that can cause problems that are not readily noticable. Sensors over time become unreliable rsulting in less than favorable conditions in the fuel/air mixture. Anything less than a 14.7 to 1 ratio is a loss of hp and lower mpg. I personally prefer carburation and no computer systems to monitor my engine. But, then I am a gearhead and just enjoy working on engines. My 355 chevy had zero pollution controls, except for a hp catback connected to headers, on it and passed an emission test with flying colors. It ultimately failed inspection in St. Louis county due to lack of devices. I went and registered it in another county that did not have the Clean Air rule. Most problems can be overcomed with a combination of componets designed to work together. Side note; when I bought my El Camino, the guy before me had swapped out the 305 heads and replaced them with heads from a 350. 350 heads on a 305 will cause lower compression resulting in cylinder load up, weak acceleration and lousey mpg. A wet cylinder will not fire properly. I replaced those heads with hp 305 heads and also swapped out the 305 cam for a Crane 327, 300hp fireball cam and also swapped in the MSD 6AL along with headers and a catback. I eventually swapped out engines from the 305 to the 355. Due to a weak componet, rocker studs, I ventilated the engine. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

To protect ones self from others with guns. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

One thing that no one has mentioned is ignition. In order to make an engine more efficient, you have to be able to burn as much of the fuel taken in as possible. In the old days we used points. Single points were very inefficient and much of the fuel was exhuasted unburned. Dual point distributors (and a HO coil) took care of much of the problem but, still inefficient. Electronic ignitions (HEI) addressed the problem with higher output and longer dwell time for coil saturation to provide a hotter spark but, still inefficient. The real solution is to gut your distributor of its stock parts, walk over to the garbage can and toss them in. Go buy yourself an MSD box. I use an MSD 6AL along with a Speed Demon 750 double pumper sitting on top of a Holley Street Dominator single plenum manifold. Now you would think that the engine dranked fuel like a wino on a binge as the last engine that I had this on was a 355 chevy with a heavy thumping cam and 2.02 heads. It had no problem putting a vette in its grave yet got great gas mileage. I never actually calculated the mileage but could drive from St. Louis to Paola Kansas without having to stop for gas. I couldn't do that when it (1980 El Camino SS) had the 305 and a Quadrajunk carb along with stock ignition in it. The magic of the MSD box is its name Multiple Spark Discharge. It fires throughout the entire stroke range burning fuel from TDC to BDC. Had I continued running the stock ignition on this engine, I suspect that I might had been lucky to get 5 to 10 miles per gallon. Do yourself and your car a favor, buy an MSD box. They are not expensive and anyone who can chew gum and walk at the same time could install it themself. You will see a major increase in milleage. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I guess we should also boycott NASCAR as the official fuel of NASCAR, Sunoco, imports some of their crude from Venezuela. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

To really get a grasp on the politics behind the war you should read the 10,000 Day War: Vietnam by Michael MacLear Probaly the best analysis ranging from the French - Indochina war and the US financial support and on to the US's own conflict in Vietnam written to date. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

42,453rd person to sign "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

It is possible that this is a window as to what this guy is really all about. If it is merely fantasy well, he has some serious problems in his head. If he acts out these fantasies of rape, child rape, torture and murder... if he hasn't yet... he most likely will eventually. Looks like a bright red flag warning. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

May I direct your attention back to... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2778868#2778868 Any plans to report her in the near future? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young