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I good understanding of right, wrong, justice, injustice as well as just and unjust and the virtues of the human race can be obtained by reading Plato's "The Republic". It was written well over 2000 years ago. It is alarming that what was argued then is argued still and no one has yet to fully understand where it is we are going because we have yet to get past the first step - being a true civilization. Definition, Civilize, verb - to bring out of savagery "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I read of it some years back in a newspaper, Tuna. I am sure others have heard similar stories. It seems that some folks are to fast to assume the worst. Case in point: My brother inlaw was taken in for burning his daughter with a cigarette. Of course he did not actually burn her, she came running around a corner and ran into the cigarette. Her teacher asked her how she got the burn on her face (forehead). She said her daddy did it (she was 6 or 7 y/o at the time). The police went to his work and took him to the station for questioning. after a lengthy investigation he was cleared of child abuse. I am positive that in some cases this would have been the right move but for those who are innocent of any wrong doing it can be a nightmare. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I have read of parents being arrested after walmart employees turned them in for having baby pics developed that showed the baby's butt "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

***And the whole Rebel flag thing puts them in the WT category. The KKK trash used the American flag long before they picked up the flag of the Confederacy. As a Southerner I take deep offense to those who depict my heritage as racist. Drunkmonkey this thread is for rememberance of a great musician, not to trash the man "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

http://www.damageplan.com/ They put this up at Damageplan's website COWBOYS FROM HELL, Darrel will rock forever for us who have enjoyed his amazing thrash riffs I will toke a phatty in honor of Dimebag Everyday, another shame "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

first place I came when I signed on, sorry. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

http://www.damageplan.com/ Murdered by crazed gunman Some of you may have never heard his name, but you most likely heard his amazing thrash riffs in the band he founded "Pantera". Everyday, another shame "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Soley because we have gave Isreal support since its creation. The PLO recognized this and to their credit they have had a "hands off policy" towards the US. Others, unfortunately do not recognize that policy and pass that ill feeling down the bloodlines for generations. The PLO utilize hands off soley because Isreal is the easier target and would not welcome a face to face conflict with the US. Her is a link that concerns the "domino effect" the way US policy would like to see it run. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2935969.stm "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

This is the "domino effect" once in motion it cascades, so it seems, forever. The mideast has felt it for centuries. Tribes hold grudges forever and these feelings are passed down for generations. The mideast has held a grudge against the US since the creation of Isreal. Google it, check it out "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I take back all I said about putting these folks to death and agree that they should be punished in accordance with the UCMJ. Yes, I am a flip-flopper. BTW most desserters, peacetime and wartime do less than 5 years in prison. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

that is truely ironic considering the NRA is one of the bigger lobbies for law enforcement "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

We all bitch too much (myself included)

In this day and age the Pentagon could have been better prepared. They were anxious to get in there. DAMN PREPARATION, FULL SPEED AHEAD I am sure that all here who believe that soldiers should shut their mouth and take a bullet for GW and his band merciless morons would change their tune if their child got his or her body shattered due to ill preparations on part of an over zealouse whitehouse. GW and his group of scum should volunteer their childern and hurry to send them. Why is not Jenna and Barb Bush the twins in Iraq? Betcha GW would pull all the strings to keep them here. Better YOUR kids die than his. I am sure he feels that way. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I gotta tell ya, she is hot hot hot. Gotta love a girl with a gun "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I am back. Sorry no pics. Trust me, it was beautiful. I only hope that your sunset or sunrise (depends on where you are) was just as good. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Looking out my window westward from my den I can see that the edge of a massive front is now going over the DZ and all is BLUE. Hope it stays. Damn shame the dz is closed. Would make for a nice sunset jump!!!!! Sorry, just got tired of all this war talk. Carry on. Update on something nice; The cloud base is around 1000'-2000' and it is burning orange, red and all pertaining shades. AWESOME. Man, let me tell you it is moments like this that make life worth carrying on... gotta go, here comes the purple shades!!!!!!! "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I wonder if they have any numbers concerning how many loyalists have entered into the new Iraqi army as sleeper cells. I do not think that this is far fetch as I have read reports of new Iraqi soldiers turning on their American counterparts during firefights with insurgents. Any thought on this, Billvon? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Well then no one would ever fight a war. Would it not be great if everyone on both sides did this!!!! Old Hippy saying- What if they threw a war and nobody showed up? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I agree, no more. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Love the gun. I had a Uzi and a Ruger Mini14 back in the early 80's. The Uzi is not much for target practice, but man was it a fun gun to shoot. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Believe me that I do not take it all personally and still would jump with you no matter what your positition is concernining politics. I do know that all of us here can agree on one thing......Fire up the big bird, I can hear the sky calling me out to play..... Peace brother! PS, the retort that you are unlearned was uncalled for and I retract. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

http://www.uncommonthought.com/prison_privatization.html The link above is a well written assessment on the prison lobby. I went to Descanso minimum security prison in 1984 on a trumped up concealed weapon charge. The weapon in question was a buck110v locking blade. The knife was in its case, strapped on my belt. It was covered by my leather jacket, thus "concealed". When we were pulled over we had done nothing wrong. We were searched for no reason. I went to jail and my bike to impoundment. I got six months worth of weekend lockup, 12pm friday to 12pm monday. We assembled metal boxes and also cleaned highways. I am certian that the prison lobby had everything to do with my time assembling metal boxes at Descanso. I have a good number of friends who are scattered throughout the prison system. Some really do belong there, I have no doubt. Yet some are there soley because of affiliation with what the government considers to be a crimminal organization. Affiliation with "outlaw motorcycle gangs" fall under RICO. RICO was strongly pushed by the prison lobby. If you are a patch holder then you must be a crimminal. The law blankets even those loosely affiliated. I am sorry about your run in with the law. I myself would still wear the shirt in Alabama or anywhere else for that matter. Sounds like a clear cut case of profiling. When I rode, I rode with several clubs over the years, I never backed down for what was on my back. DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF CLOTHING OR CLUB MEMBERSHIP IS ILLEGAL ----------------------------------------------------------- Any person whose exercise or enjoyment of rights secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States has been interfered with, or attempted to be interfered with may institute and prosecute a civil action for injunctive and other appropriate equitable relief, including the award of compensatory monetary damages. The Supreme Court ruled in the case of Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971) that individuals have the constitutional right under the First Amendment to wear clothing which displays writing or design. In addition, the right of an individual to freedom of association has long been recognized and protected by the United States Supreme Court. Thus, a person's right to wear the clothing of his choice, as well as his right to belong to any club or organization of his choice is constitutionally protected, and persons or establishments who discriminate on the basis of clothing or club membership are subject to lawsuit. I have never backed down and will never back up on my right to express myself no matter the cost. Anytime I was told that I could not enter an establishment because of colors on a jacket, I just showed them the card I carry that states the above. THEY BACK DOWN. Not me. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

further down on the product page they show the recorder that is used with the cyclopscam at a price of nearly $500.00 "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Take what you will from it. If stereotyping a huge group of people into a single and extremely uncomplimentary mold is what it takes to show depth, then I'll leave that to the racists and sexist people and also those that do it specifically to make inane political generalizations. So the media also is stereotyping when they report "The Pentagon says..." or the "The Whitehouse today..." or try this one "The United States announced....." Simply put that is not stereotyping. To stereotype is to say as such that for instance all folks who live in the Ozarks are moonshine drinking hillbillies or that all white people are racist soley because they are white or that all black people are gangbangers. You also refer to me as possiablly being racist. I am deeply offended and have concluded that you are indeed without depth. You seem to be unlearned. I strongly suggest you learn the definition of words you so willingly throw at others. This is my last response to you as I feel that you are only seeking to argue and not discuss an issue on an adult level. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

***Funny, because this thread is about someone trying to do that very thing.... No, this guy is a traitor same as Jimmy Massey, same as the new scum on the block Petty Officer Pablo Paredes. In Pablos case jail is not good enough. This scum should be made to walk the plank after hanging from the yardarm by his shriveled balls. Any person who turns their back on their own country have no rights. These people are the lowest form of human filth and should be looked upon with distain. They deserve death and nothing less. You are either with us or against us. Personally I prefer those who are with us. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young