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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that still the case now that anti-HIV drugs have made such advances in extending the life of those with AIDS? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Even when a person infected is able to get meds it is not all that easy to maintian as the side effects can be just as bad. HIV patients will go through a wide range of meds to combat the onslaught of AIDS. Having to do so can have a devestating effect on ones well being. There is also the rejection that one will experience. Sometimes the prejudice is open, other times it is subtle, yet still there. There is a lot of stigma attached to AIDS that is not associated with other diseases that tends to lead to depression and often suicide. Suicide rates are extremely high with HIV compared to other diseases. If a person knowingly infects another, that person is guilty of attaching an unwarranted burden to another all the while knowing what the newly infected will have to deal with. Any person who knowingly does this should be dealt with harshly as they are well aware of the pain that they are causing upon another. I have been infected for 11 years now and I am well aware of what a person has to deal with and that getting meds is not easy to do. No meds for over 4 years now. High viral load and low t-cell count. Living with this is hell and often depressing. The court should view it as they would any crime that injures a person. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Don't you have an insurance claim to deny? The point was (and I am sure it was well above your level of understanding) is that such emails that are spammed into x-number of accounts only fuel hatred towards the many people who had nothing to do with 9-11. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I take it that this is one of the cases that involves "Mom" Boucher. His multi-million dollar cocaine operation and battle with the Rock Machine MC was not backed by the Hell's Angels. It has been stated by George Christie, as well as by Sonny Barger, that the Hell's Angels do not condone what puppet organization and individuals do while wearing the logo of the Hell's Angels as they have worked hard to make the corporation what it is, a legitimate entity that follows the law and pay taxes. There are far more people within the Hell's Angels who are law abiding, hard working family people than there are those who use the colors to intimidate and profit for their own gain. People such as "Mom" Boucher should never see the light of day and the faster the Hell's Angels weed these people out the better. If this is one of the cases that involves "Mom" then yes the money should be used for the good of the victim as that asshole won't need it where he is going. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

http://www.leap.cc/ I was just reading the thread concerning the gay marriage thing (they can do as they please) that turned into a drug thread concerning legalization and thought of this organization that is made up of law enforcement officers who are in favor of legalization. Check out their site and read their arguement for such. They make more sense than anyone on the matter as they are the people on the frontline. Watch the promo video and really listen to what they are saying. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Got this in my email here at dz.com. I highly doubted the story so I did a quick search and, as I suspected, found it to be another urban legend. Seems this is the kind of ignorance that brings about prejudice. The email: How Budweiser handled those who laughed at those who died on the 11th of September, 2001...Thought you might like to know what happened in a little town north of Bakersfield, California. After you finish reading this, please forward this story on to others so that our nation and people around the world will know about those who laughed when they found out about the tragic events in New York, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon. On September 11th, a Budweiser employee was making a delivery to a convenience store in a California town named McFarland. He knew of the tragedy that had occurred in New York when he entered the business to find the two Arabs, who owned the business, whooping and hollering to show their approval and support of this treacherous attack. The Budweiser employee went to his truck, called his boss and told him of the very upsetting event! He didn't feel he could be in that store with those horrible people. His boss asked him, "Do you think you could go in there long enough to pull every Budweiser product and item our beverage company sells there? We'll never deliver to them again." The employee walked in, proceeded to pull every single product his beverage company provided and left with an incredible grin on his face. He told them never to bother to call for a delivery again. Budweiser happens to be the beer of choice for that community. Just letting you know how Kern County handled this situation And Now the Rest of the Story: It seems that the Bud driver and the Pepsi man are neighbors. Bud called Pepsi and told him. Pepsi called his boss who told him to pull all Pepsi products as well!!! That would include Frito Lay, etc. Furthermore, word spread and all vendors followed suit! At last report, the store was closed indefinitely. Good old American Passive-Aggressive A$$ Whoop in! Pass this along; America needs to know that we're all working together! If you can read this... thank a teacher... if you are reading it in English....THANK A SOLDIER!! God Bless America!! What the quick search turned up. And Now The Truth: This is one of many "celebrating Arabs" stories passed around in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks (see "Boycott Dunkin' Donuts" for another). None of these tales, which typically claim that workers who appear to be of Arab descent were observed rejoicing over the attacks in places of business around the U.S., have yet been found true. As regards this particular story, both Anheuser-Busch, the manufacturer of Budweiser beer, and Dennis Muleady, marketing director of Advanced Beverage, the Budweiser distributor in the McFarland, California area, have denied the veracity of the story. It never happened. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Navy. Company Commander Vincent. He tried be an asshole. He was actually a real real good guy. Often partied with him and his wife after getting out of boot in early 80 before going to the IO. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

This is part of the problem. Violence is a marketing tool to draw kids towards certian products. The best selling video games consist of robbery, rape and murder. Pound this kind of garbage into the heads of children for x number of years and some of them will react as if life is just that, a video game. Same goes with kids engaging in sex on certian primetime television shows. It is often shown that these are the "cool kids", the in crowd. It is also in music. Gangbanger mentality blast the airwaves. Children emulate what they see and hear. The worst it gets the more society and children will pay. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Okay, next time we'll just leave them out to rot, spread disease, and be torn apart by wild animals. Can you discern a difference between sanitary disposal, and mutilation as a symbol of hatred? Sounds more like an intimidation tactic than just a mere sanitary disposal. The whole fucking war is immoral. Both sides are wrong. This shit will never end. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Fossil Fish Sheds Light on Transition 04/05/2006 Associated Press/AP Online NEW YORK - Scientists have caught a fossil fish in the act of adapting toward a life on land, a discovery that sheds new light one of the greatest transformations in the history of animals. Scientists have long known that fish evolved into the first creatures on land with four legs and backbones more than 365 million years ago, but they've had precious little fossil evidence to document how it happened. The new find of several specimens looks more like a land-dweller than the few other fossil fish known from the transitional period, and researchers speculate that it may have taken brief excursions out of the water. "It sort of blurs the distinction between fish and land-living animals," said one of its discoverers, paleontologist Neil Shubin of the University of Chicago. Experts said the discovery, with its unusually well-preserved and complete skeletons, reveals significant new information about how the water-to-land evolution took place. "It's an important new contribution to (understanding) a very, very important transition in the history of life," said Robert Carroll of McGill University in Montreal. The new find includes specimens, 4 to 9 feet long, found on Ellesmere Island, which lies north of the Arctic Circle in Canada. It is reported in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature by Shubin, Ted Daeschler of the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia and Farish A. Jenkins Jr. of Harvard. Some 375 million years ago, the creature looked like a cross between a fish and a crocodile. It swam in shallow, gently meandering streams in what was then a subtropical climate, researchers say. A meat-eater, it lived mostly in water. Yet, its front fins had bones that correspond to a shoulder, upper arm, elbow, forearm and a primitive version of a wrist, Shubin said. From the shoulder to the wrist area, "it basically looks like a scale-covered arm," he said. "Here's a creature that has a fin that can do push-ups," he said. "This is clearly an animal that is able to support itself on the ground," probably both in very shallow water and for brief excursions on dry land. On land, it apparently moved like a seal, he said. It might have pulled itself onto stream banks, perhaps moving from one wet area to another, and even crawled across logs in swamps, said Daeschler. The researchers have not yet dug up any remains from the hind end of the creature's body, so they don't know exactly what the hind fins and tail might have looked like. The creature was dubbed Tiktaalik (pronounced "tic-TAH-lick") roseae, and also had the crocodile-shaped head of early amphibians, with eyes on the top rather than the side. Unlike other fish, it could move its head independently of its shoulders like a land animal. The back of its head also had features like those of land-dwellers. It probably had lungs as well as gills, and it had overlapping ribs that could be used to support the body against gravity, Shubin said. Yet, the creature's jaws and snout were still very fishlike, showing that "evolution proceeds slowly; it proceeds in a mosaic pattern with some elements changing while others stay the same," Daeschler said. If one considers adaptation as a process of collecting tools to live in a new environment, the new finding offers "a snapshot of the toolkit at this particular point in this evolutionary transition," Daeschler said. In fact, much of its value comes from this insight into the order in which those tools appeared in fish, said Jennifer Clack of Cambridge University, an expert unconnected with the study. Knowing that detail about the transition from fish to land-dweller, she said, "might help us to unravel why it happened at all. Why did creatures come out of the water and get legs and walk away?" It's impossible to tell if Tiktaalik was a direct ancestor of land vertebrates, she said, but if a scientist set out to design a plausible candidate, "you'd probably come up with something like this." Shubin said the researchers plan to return to the small rocky outcropping that yielded the fossils and recover more material. "We've really only begun to sort of crack that spot," he said. The site is in Nunavut Territory, and "Tiktaalik" in the creature's name comes from the traditional language used in the area. It refers to a large freshwater fish seen in the shallows. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the Net: http://www.nature.com/nature "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Now I backed up on my initial response to the Hell's Angel shooting, but this, no way, slice his fucking balls off annd stomp them down his throat. Or better yet, send him to the meanest prison. Some of those guys in there just love child molesters. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

This is going to make a great movie someday! Real life crime story. Chances are scriptwriters are keeping notes as this unfolds. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Ever been to the DMV??????? "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

***The shooters need to be caught, tried and jailed for their criminal actions, even executed by the state for a random act of murder if that's the law and that's what the facts bear out. That would justice. Quote You are right and my initial response is wrong. For the sake of all chapters I hope that this is not between the HA and Outlaws as they have a long standing truce and have been getting along great throughout the midwest. I would hate to see this kind of crap spill into the St. Louis area and end the great runs that they sponser together. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Spring cleaning. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

There's something wrong with you. You have no right to say that. You do not know me. Nor do you know the people that I consider to be brothers. These wads who shot the brothers on 95 have the problem and the word is out judging from a number of 81 websites. For their sake, they best hope that the cops get them first. Several first-hand accounts say they were just riding when shots were fired at them. There is something wrong with those who fired the shots and I hope they get what they deserve. If it was only the shooter who intended this I hope the other three turn him in and save face. If all 4 intended this then they will get what they get, either from the court or from the Angels. Either way they are dead. In prison they will most definitly be done in as on the street. Either way they stepped off the line. Period. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Blame the HAIR!!!! I hear it has been added to the list of the Axis of Evil "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I have ridden with a few clubs and never have I ever seen anyone just outright harrass any straights. I have been to a number of HA runs and never seen any violence. You are flat out told to keep your attitude to yourself or pay for your bullshit if you get out of line. As for the post about clubs fighting each other, that is pretty much in the past except for a few here and there differences. That kinda crap went on in the St. Louis area for a good number of years. Now the HA, Outlaws, Road Saints and Saddle Tramps often do runs together to promote peace amongst them. The likelihood that the Angels provoked this shooting is slim due to clubs try to not draw attention (kinda hard not to when you have colors and rolling in a pack) as they know that the law is keeping an eye on them. What most people who have never lived in world of the 1% knows about that world is what they have seen on a movie screen, Hollywood bullshit. True there are drugs, booze and some fighting (same crap you find in all lifestyles if you look hard enough), but for the most part it is just a group of people who ride and love their bikes and the feeling they get from it along with the brotherhood and respect towards each other. I don't know who provoked this shooting, although I am almost certian that the Angels did not as they realized that they are almost always under the gaze of the Feds. As for the fucknuts who pulled the trigger, their best bet is to turn themselves in before anyone of the brothers get a hand on them. Justice at the hands of the enforcers ( a good number of these guys come from special forces units) is not nice. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Who else would be likely to invade, given that our government is bent on pre-emptive strike? Sounds alot like our National Guard. "...only the hot ones that want sex!" It is that kind of view that gives some a reason to hate us. The US most likely holds the record for driveby shootings. Sounds no different than some of the crap you hear here in the US. It is possible that their government knows something that we average Americans do not. Given that our governments attitude that any country that does not bow down to us is evil they have every right to prepare for a possible invasion. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I hope the Angels catch these fuckheads before the cops do and chainwhip them then slice their fucking balls off and shove them down their fucking throats. Guranteed these assholes have just signed their death certificates. All four in that SUV deserve to die in the worst way. Anything less would be an injustice. Only an idiot would fuck with the Big Red 81. If these fucknuts are not fearing for their lifes, they should be and will be when the Angels get their hands on them. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

I thought the same. Then I did a search and found reference to this dating back to 2003. Hmmmm. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Who are Kat and Fliteline ?? This could be split for better comprehension of the thread. http://www.press-enterprise.com/newsarchive/2000/05/08/957755913.html "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

EGAD!!!!! Why wasn't there a warning with that clicky!!! Now I have Mountain Dew all over my desk. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Depression is not a personal choice. Suicide that arises from depression is an desperate act. It is not a logical act. Suicide via depression is far different than assisted suicide, do not confuse the two of being the same. There is treatment for depression and a person can manage their life during and after depression. I know first hand. I made seven attempts. I have a scar on my wrist to remind me. I still deal with severe bouts of depression and I have been seeing a therapist for going on 11 years. For some, the depression never ends. It just goes on and on. There are times when I consider just ending the pain and just be done with it all. But I don't. I have ways to work through the darkness. I wish that I could walk with these people who are so good to care about those who are burdened with a horriable illness that takes so many over the edge. I do support a persons desicion to die peacefully when all options have been depleted when they are in so much pain from AIDS related complication (ARC), cancer, MS or any other fatal illness. I would never support suicide for depression and neither should anyone else. There is always a way to see the light. If anyone who is reading this knows of a person who is depressed, keep a close eye on them. They will thank you later. BIG HUG for Eener

Agreed. How do you stop them? Everyone wears a George Orwell mask everytime they leave the house. That should fuck with their facial recognition program. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young

Fixed it to say: Just my experience in most towns with me being white with longhair. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young