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so the moral of the story is, take a sharpie and go around the office drawing mustaches on all the pictures of people and walk away with a check for another 20K. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

That fucking dirt bag!!! I watched his second fight with Wanderlei yesterday, I had seen the end of it before but had never watched the entrances of the fighters until now. Jackson that fucking piece of shit walks into the ring gets on his cell phone and starts talking, he doesn't put the phone down until halfway through the playing of our national anthem, when he finally puts it down he has that "would you hurry it up" kind of look on his face, his body language was much the same. And as the songs is barely finishing he gets back on the phone and chats through the playing of the Brazilian national anthem, Wanderlei put his hand over his heart and stood tall for his, showed some national pride. When you are fighting in another country you are representing your own country, and the image that Jackson portrayed made me wanna puke. I hope he gets that fuckin bling knocked out of his mouth, his head rips off and his body is drug out of there by that fucking chain he wears around his neck. I hate that man. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

not many poeple in this world get to bring their dogs to work with them.Quote very true, it was one of the reasons i enjoyed being at work so much, i don't like going anywhere without her, and getting to take your dog to work and have some of your best friends as teammates has made for an awesome couple of years History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Go poop in one of the rooms. Then see if they fire everybody. If they only fire you, then you have made your point. Quote I like the way you think, you're hired to be my new publicist now get to poopin and blamin it on me!! History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Yeah I know that's how it goes, I kind of new it would happen eventually when you couldn't walk down the hallway without tripping over dogs and hearing people yelling at them to come back. I guess I'll have to start spending less time at the office now, I'm always the last one to go home at night and go in almost every day on the weekends because I just like being at work. Or maybe I'll start bringing a parrot with me and walking around with it on my shoulder, one that repeats everything everyone says, and when he bans that, a pet boa constrictor, and then a pet iguana, and they'll just keep on coming until he says I can have my dog back. Or maybe I can just kick him in the nuts, I'm sure nobody would mind, he isn't very well liked to begin with. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I don't hate the guy that brought his dogs in that made the mess, he's a good guy I just think he should have thought a little bit more before bringing a huge german shepard and an oversize husky in that are both too energetic. And he would just let them run around. Plus I didn't like the cmopany SGM to begin with and he really put himself up to the top of the shitlist with this one, don't come between me and my baby, that's just wrong! History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I'm so pissed right now, for the last year and a half I have brought my dog to work with me almost every day. If we aren't out of town, in the field, or at the range my dog is in the team room hanging out with me. She's a little border collie mix, really well behaved, has never caused problems, never had an accident and never gotten in anybodys way. She always sat at my feet behaving herself and the rest of my team loves having her around too, I think they were almost as upset as I was about this. And today I get word at the end of the day that the company SGM says we are no longer allowed to bring our dogs to work. I know exactly what prompted this too, there's a few people on other teams that would bring their dogs in every once in a while, and they could never control their dogs, their would be german shepards, pit bulls and rottweilers running around causing trouble, and today one of these dogs shit in a team room. This caused all dogs to get banned, it's bullshit that because some people have disobedient dogs or just don't know how to control them that I have to leave my best friend at home every day now, my dog never leaves my side. I'm so fucking pissed right now just look at the pic, how could you say no to a face like that?? History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

The question that remains is, would the absence of all the bad press footage associated with today's methods of dispersal likely extend the employment of such a device into situations that it oughtn't be used? Quote And that's the biggest issue with this, it is a wonderful piece of equipment with tons of potential, but as soon as it starts getting publicity and the public sees us doing things without using lethal force they will demand it all the time. And when it comes time to throw down and kill people there will be an outcry over why we didn't use this. it's like people criticizing a soldier killing someone who was attacking them with a weapon other than a firearm, they weren't their so people are going to say why didn't you use non lethal force and call the soldier trigger happy. This is a double edged sword History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Drawing down is on the right track but it can' be done if the insurgents are in full stride, a short stint of increased troop numbers for a very short-term operation that would target all known terrorist cells and roll up all the big players that are threatening the Iraqis ability to control their own destiny. And with a quick solid blow that would at least slow down the movement start scaling back so the Iraqis can take over easier and leave elements to augment the Iraqis where needed and continue to provide logistical suport and training as needed. In the end after this is all said and done there are still going to be SF teams in Iraq for years helping the Iraqi military to continually develop itself. The Sunni are slowly starting to come around, when the new government was first being formed they were so used to being in sole power that they acted much the same as a kid who takes their toys and goes home because everyone doesn't want to play THEIR game. In doing this they shot themselves in the foot, because they refused to take part in the political proccess so they ended up completely out of power rather than having a voice. they have recently begun to realize that their dynasty is no more and if they want to save themselves they are going to have to learn to "play well with others". We are seeing it more and more in certain areas, and in others where their is more violence they are sort of falling in line with the insrgents who are basically doing their dirty work for them. A firmer stance against the outside countries supporting this would probably go a long ways, and we could easily do it without another war. A lot of the increased violence is due to troops being pulled in from the cities between Baghdad and the borders thus allowing more freedom of movement from outside countries, another mistake from those at the top. The reason this is taking so long is partly our fault, we have to force the Iraqis to the front while we guide them and provide support a few steps behind. As soldiers though we have it drilled into our heads that we need to lead from the front, get in the fight, and charge the enemy head on, it's hard to turn that off and step back when there is fighting to be done. We spent so many years not getting an opportunity to do our jobs in combat and now that we finally have that opportunity we are having to force ourselves to not take it, it's a hard thing to do. The Iraqis are every bit capable they just need a little nudge to get em moving History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

So out of 300,000,000 USA population, around 140,000, or 0.05% are brave and the other 99.95% are wimps. Sad. Quote Sorry guys, didn't mean it to come off like that, I was just trying to say that IMO the "Home of the Brave" is referring to our military, I could have said the second part better, or just not said it at all, I'll go see if I can pull my foot out of my mouth now, sorry everyone. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

True, the initial mission was a success, but in completing that mission we opened up a whole new can of worms that had to be dealt with and just leaving because the initial mission was completed would be immoral. In terms of the PNAC goals of creating a western-style democracy in Iraq, the "first domino" that will result in a cascade of western-style democracies over there? Never going to happen, because even the government we've installed doesn't want that to happen. Yes the type of democracy we wish to see over there will most likely never happen, but it is possible to at least help lead them to a style of government that doesn't have one ethnic breakdown controlling everything and punishing the minorities much the way the former regime did. All the groups in Iraq have their own agenda but they are all starting to come around and realize that whether they like each other or not they are going to have to find a way to co-exist, the media is just doing a good job of hiding this because all they show is the sectarian violence, but for every militia out there murdering people there is a group willing to take action on the political side to find a peaceful solution. As for the statement that half approve of attacks on us, Bill I know you're one of the people in these forums who doesn't make a statement before you do your homework, and I'm sure you would agree with me that most of the time when a poll like that is put out the polling group specifially targets a group that will most likely have an opinion that fits what they want put into their story, both sides do it, the left and the right. i'm sure there are plenty of Iraqi's out there who love watching us get killed, but I know that the number is far less than half. Couldn't agree more, and IMO that means those milestones which need to be accomplished on the way out need to focus on turning more and more responsibility over to the Iraqis to secure themselves, something they are more than capable of. they just don't take the initiative most of the time because they have the A-type door kickin Americans leading them in and we have a hard time standing at the back of the stack watching the action from the sidelines. And Botellines, I think that last sentence in your post was dead on, but to do that as I said before the left and right need to meet in the middle, and that's just so impossible to do. We're all cocky Americans, we don't know any better History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

If you know anyone looking to put together a pickup team post some details here, I have some vacation during that time and may be able to swing through there. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

What a load of crap! you actually believe the rep.'s are on the fringe of even seeing(with a satellite because thay are so far away) a victory in the game plan? Quote I'm not listening to the BS that either side is puttin out right now so you can calm down a little bit. But if you look at the plans that both sides are introducing there seem to be two major trends, first from the Dems. a quick exit with no concern for victory, only a set date when all our troops will be back on US soil, and on the other side, a plan to still achieve "victory"(I put that in quotation marks because the word seems to have a lot of different meeanings to a lot of different people right now). The major shortcoming is the seemingly non-existent exit strategy, IMO the best way out as I stated before was an exit strategy with set milestones or goals to achieve as we pull out, regardless of how long it takes to achieve. You can't finish a conflict based on a timeline, both sides need to check their egos at the door and figure out what needs to be accomplished to get out of Iraq in a successful manner as opposed to "OK guys it's November 12th, drop what you're doing, pack your bags and I'll see you at Hooters next week for beer." History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

What ever happened to "Home of the Brave"? Quote All the brave are in Iraq and Afghanistan, everybody that wants to stay here are the ones who talk big but would sell their first born child to avoid serving in combat. The reaction to this incident is just sad, a bunch of flashing lights, whether you know the cartoon or not it doesn't take a genius to know that wasn't a bomb, unless you believe that all bombs look like the ones with computer screens and lasers like in the movies. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

That the United States has allowed the Turkish Air Force to conduct bombing raids within the northern Iraq "no-fly zone" against Kurdish targets is but one indication of the lack of concern about actually protecting the Kurdish population. Quote The US in no way "allowed" Turkish air strikes against the Kurds, we had little to no control over what the Turks did in that conflict. I can also name countless operators who would testify that we did everything possible to protect the Kurds, I can also name ten times as many Kurds who would give their lives to protect US soldiers out of gratitude for everything we have done for them over the years. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Well I guess we will just have to meet one of these days.. toss down a couple challenge coins.. and get some serious drinking on...I may not be in the best of shape for running around the mountains at 10000 ft... BUT I can still down copious amounts of alcoholic beverages...AND I dont mind buying for those who actually DO put their butts out there. Might I suggest Lost Prairie 28 July to Aug 5th?? Quote I would be honored to join you in a few if I weren't going to be in Iraq during Lost Prairie, I leave in a few weeks and will be gone the rest of the year, I can't wait History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Ever thought about changing your citizenship? Quote Not just no, but a big FUCK NO There's only one flag I would ever wear on my shoulder. Wanting to be in Iraq has nothing to do with with wanting to be Iraqi, it's about doing my job, serving my country, and backing up my fellow operators. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Just following your lead. I may be old but my mind, Damn what was I doing? Quote My influence is greater than you know History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

and World Champ a retiree can use! Quote Why would you want to use a world champ, that sounds kinda dirty History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

The NSL website just posted the changes to the rule book, nothing that is really going to significantly affect the competitors, most of the changes are geared towards meet management. I've said before there's one or two blocks and randoms that I wouldn't mind being changed, but overall the dive pool has no major issues. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

See now.. I completely am down with thatQuote How come you never agree with a thing I say until I call myself a whacko?? History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I truely beleive that all those who stand to gain financially from the war should be right there in Iraq.. fighting for that percieved returnQuote I can't argue with you on that one, but I still have to disagree about bringing troops home because some of them don't want to be there. IIRC you wore a uniform at one time as well and I'm sure you went a place or two you didn't care for, and from what I've seen in these forums you were probably one of the ones who went without trying to skip out of your responsibilites, so you can see where I'm coming from when I say the troops just need to keep at it regardless of what decision are made on capitol hill. Yeah it sucks for those seperated from their loved ones but it's part of the job. And then there's us whacko's that love being over there and fight to go back every time they drag us home History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

I agree with the airline on this one, they had every right to do what they did. Ya know, I had to bite my toungue to not make a Hillary joke on this one, it would've been so easy History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

BUSH: Oh, absolutely. Everybody was wrong on weapons of mass destruction. I would ask people to go back and look at the comments of many of the Democrat leadership prior to my arrival in Washington, DC, people who'd looked at the same intelligence I looked at. I'd look at the people's comments when the run-up to the war. They had looked at the same intelligence I had looked at. It was pretty well universally thought he had weapons. And there was an intelligence failure, which we're trying to address. But I was as surprised as anybody he didn't have them.Quote I wish I could find that list of quotes I used to have of all the Dems. swearing up and down that Saddam had WMD's, these would be the same people who today swear they knew from the start that there were none in country. The majority of these quotes were made pre 9-11 as well, and they for the most part included statements about taking Saddam out of power by use of force, funny ho some people like to play to what's popular. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

You should reschedule it to the second week of February so I can make it!! History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower