ChangoLanzao

I read the comments too. You're in good company.

WRONG! Texas appoints them to the Texas State Board of Education.

I look forward to see the numbers Don't hold your breath ETA: You didn't provide any numbers. Why should I? Besides, I prefer the qualitative approach Cop Out!!! The budgets of the states are in a mess You said the incarceration rates iare causing it And the numbers are up to me??? Bullshit. The budgets of ALL of the states are a mess. Your premise is wrong in your original post. I don't think you're really interested in numbers.

NOTE: Our last Republican governor is in prison.

I look forward to see the numbers Don't hold your breath ETA: You didn't provide any numbers. Why should I? Besides, I prefer the qualitative approach

Both states spend way too much money incarcerating their citizens for committing victimless crimes.

Yeah we know. Perhaps when they start launching rockets at civilian areas in San Diego and El Paso and blowing themselves up in discos on Santa Monica Blvd and in New York Hmmmm...that's a scary thought! In any case, the USA should also take a leaf out of Israel's gun control book, which is also part of their strategy to limit gun violence along it's borders.

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Yep, pure killin' machines they are. On the other hand, the Chinese invented gunpowder, and used it only to make pretty fireworks in the sky. Therefore, every gun, which uses gunpowder, is nothing more than just a celebratory fireworks launcher. So there's nothing to worry about from guns! That's the logic that these "original intent" folks want to use, to forever assign some attribute to an object, no matter how much they have changed from their original design in the meantime. So, if that's the argument they want to make, then guns are nothing but fireworks machines! Meanwhile, automobiles, which are NOT designed to kill, manage to kill 40,000 people per year. Many more than die from guns. So the whole argument about what they're "designed" to do, is ridiculous. Regarding the bow and arrow, at one time in history the law in England REQUIRED every man to own and be well-practiced with the longbow. They were considered essential to common defense against enemies. Just like America's 2nd Amendment. Virgin Utah has a city ordanince requiring every house have a gun...Burgulary is unheard of in virgin! Not quite. The ordinance exempts felons, residents bound by restraining orders, residents with physical and mental disabilities and anyone who refuses to own a gun for religious and philosophical reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if those exemptions pretty much cover the entire population of Virgin

Ah, so you don't even know the quote, yet claim it is phony..... Got it. I see you guys have looked it up and know that it's phony, so you wont even post the quote. That's good.

Prove it Quote him.

Yeppers!

Yeah. Right. THAT's what she is saying

etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... Many of them feel that their own government will fear them and so they will be protected from Tyranny if every citizen is allowed to own and carry guns. A Japanese general made a now famous quote about invading the US in regards to guns. Do you happen to know what he said? Yup. It's a famous PHONY quote.

etc. etc. ... Seems, a serious battle is going on in the US on a daily basis. OK, arm each other from teeth to tooth - and then? Who will decide who's the bad guy, who's the good one? Armed are all of them ..... Many of them feel that their own government will fear them and so they will be protected from Tyranny if every citizen is allowed to own and carry guns.

No, you still don't get it. It is about RIGHTS and what happens when you sit by and lets others rights be taken away.... you often find no one will be there to fight for your rights. And that applies to many things..... His quote is not about the right to bear arms. Pastor Niemöller, AFAIK, never used that poem to talk about "rights". He never included the right to bear arms in any statements that I've been able to read. He was referring specifically to the NAZIS rounding up and putting groups of people that they hated into concentration camps. He was referring to the fact that the intellectuals of the time refused to SPEAK OUT about what the NAZIs were doing in order to stop them. He was not referring to taking up arms against the NAZIs. There are NAZIs gaining power in the U.S. RIGHT NOW. They have been able to write laws that Arizona and other states have passed. They are singling out groups of people to persecute. They are gun nuts, white supremacist militia groups, WingNuts, TeaBaggers, and DittoHeads. They must be stopped, PEACEFULLY, before more of them get elected to public office in the United States.

Ya I know but he will be voted out in just a couple of years ... by the dumbest electorate in history

[reply There is nothing that will confuse mankind quicker than to establish a susbstitute for what God had ordained. Yeah ... like your entire religion.

You still don't get it. It's not about guns!

It's obviously just a circle jerk for gun nuts. As you were ...

You take quotes, some of them phony to varying degrees, attributed to dead men, (thus they cannot actually tell you that you misquoted them), and taken out of context, in order to bolster your arguments. It's as if you can't come up with any original ideas on your own. I can read everything you say on various loony websites all over the internets! In this case, you take a widely abused quotation, that Martin Niemöller himself was unsure he said, just because it has a nice ring to it and attach it to your ramblings about the Second Amendment in order to lend more credence to them. It's a nice quote, but it isn't what he said and it isn't about the right to bear arms. Martin Niemöller was a Nazi and later turned into an extreme pacifist. His story is pretty interesting, but it's ironic that you would invoke him when trying to defend the idea that arming every American citizen is going to buy us Freedom. As a matter of fact, when I think about that quote it seems to me that when applied to current events it means that we should not sit idly by and let white supremacist gun nuts dictate our politics because they are very dangerous to our liberty and should not be ignored. We need to stop them (and I don't mean with guns!) BEFORE they come for us. You just don't get it. Martin Niemöller was also an ardent supporter of the Japanese Constituion. You quote him to back up your nonsense about the Second Amendment. ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained.

Then why did you say; "At the very least, the system should make it very difficult for a violent felon or someone who has been involuntarily committed to a mental institution in the past to have firearms."That certainly seemed to imply that you believed that no such requirements were already in place. If you knew all along that these restrictions were in effect, then what was the point of your statement? You appear to me to just be back-pedaling to try and cover up your ignorance of gun laws... Believe what you want to believe.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/ [/reply It's not perfect. And there has been.... since 1968. You don't really know gun laws do you? I didn't say there wasn't. So I guess you are cool now huh? And I agree with this. What's your point? I didn't say there weren't such requirement in place already. I agree with these requirements.

And how about a shrink sign off to skydive or drive a car? You OK with those as well? Maybe YOU should know those answers before you try to make a point. I know the answer having served. Well, my question was an honest question. I would like you to tell me the answer. I don't know what the military does. Please tell me.

From your own source: So the ORIGINATOR of the quote had several different versions. I wonder what the "Jews (sort of)" version was.