johnny1488

Is it attributed to the design then? Like the 170's being retrofitted with the comp mod? I am not the world's skydiver, but I know more people who have had problems with them than didn't. And I have out "glided" cobalts of similar sizes on more than one canopy with people who had a decent idea on how to fly them. I would question how much more efficient the wing is. But I am glad the cobalt and all the other canopies are out there for people to fly. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

There is a lot more, but I think a good canopy pilot could pick up any rig, throw out a P/C and fly whatever comes out with a decent amount of precision. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I completely understand. I was on an RW load last year (I think it was 18 or so, I dont do much RW anymore but the orginizer asked me to.) I wound up dumping at 2500 or so because of breakoff traffic. It was ok but didnt leave me much time at all. My canopy takes upwards of 700ft to open so I was almost at my hard deck when the slider came down. I prefer not to put myself there a lot. But then again, thats me with my gear and my expierence and my ass. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

The footage of Omar deyploying on crosswind sounds just like what you're looking for. Except its not on the net, I think. But it's high-res and slo mo close enough to see all the good stuff. Check it out. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I believe this has to do with the way they trim the canopy for a flatter glide. It has a slower decent rate so it might "feel" bigger but it is most certainly not. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Jim posted something on CP.com. Just a teaser as usual. Who knows if we'll ever see it. They get to play around with all sorts of shit and I am envious. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I was commenting on the pull altitude. I never turn a blind eye to something that concerns me. I advise, but I dont police. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Dont forget the Jewel, the twin star and the porter that for some reason hasnt flown in a while. We keep 4 otters in the summer, but I'll bet we "could have" all the freefall express otters we could fit in Billy's back yard. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I also have one on my left leg strap mostly for under canopy. I usually dont look at that one in freefall. Great for hopnpops so I dont have to grab the other one. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

When I dont have a good swooping envirionment, but I could still jump just fine, I just cant get motivated. If I had to choose, I would abandon freefall to swoop (and fly my canopy in general.) Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Im sorry, I thought you asked why I dont hop and pop from altitude. I said I do. Sorry I couldn't fulfill your intellectual needs with my answer. What exactly are you looking for? Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I like freefall, too, but I try to do one of those a weekend. I'll keep myself as safe as I can. I'll let everyone else worry about everyone else. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Pulling at 2k was all the rage 15 years ago, and thats great. I want to fly my canopy on every jump, not just pull and land. I dont think canopies took 1k feet to open 15 years ago either. I have no problem with people doing that now, but I dont. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Im glad you have a while to go before you get the chance to jump. Tell you're parents when you go and do it. When you get to do a tandem the first time, you'll know if its worth it or not. If it wasnt worth it, I would be doing it. The only thing I can say is dont try to fool anyone or yourself that this sport is safe. People die way to often. You can and will get hurt, whether you bust your ankle or watch your best friend bounce, this sport will burn you, and I still wouldnt have it any other way. Hope you get the chance to see why. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I thought that risers had the same length between the end and the guide ring and was longer or shorter between the guidering and 3 ring end, meaning you might need longer or shorter arms, but the length excess brake line would remain the same. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Was the offending canopy built in the US? Plenty of people have gotten hurt under plenty of canopies. I personally wont buy a precision canopy. Im dead set on Icarus and PD. I will attempt to call Chris on monday to try and sort out my take on precisions tactics. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Thats why there is more than one canopy company, so we can have a choice. George galloway told ME that HE made the designs called Icarus canopies and now HE made even better canopies in the fusion and synergy. HE was outwardly missleading jumpers at a certain swoop meet in 2001 when his new "designs were launching" I made a decision about his tactics then. Let every jumper jump what they want. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Kim and I did one under my xfire169 and we will soon be under my 141. Are you coming back up this year, you should see the video of our first attempt Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I have stalled all of them on toggles. I didnt stall on rear risers till I took the Scott Miller course the first time. Now I will mostly only stall my xfire on rears cause It isnt pretty on a toggle stall, but I know just how it feels. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Ill bet you can land it anywhere. Whether you walk away from it is another story. I have seen out of the blue, though, and their first attempt looked rather rough. Doesnt appear to be a whole lot of performance. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I've never been in their factory, but I'd be willing to bet that they build the same extreme they did for Icarus and then modify it to become a xoas -close off the center of the cell (by the looks of it, by just pulling the top skin down a little tighter, you can see the distortion on the top skin of all xaos canopies) -change trim and use hma lines -make stabilribs -put brass gromets on slider They were still using the Icarus order form with the Icarus part whited out (well, almost) And I dont remember saying Icarus pioneered crossbracing, but they did pioneer crossbraced zp elliptical, a project PD said they abandoned because they saw no future in it. Again, I am not saying I know it all, but it appears the last main canopy Presicion designed was the monarch or the batwing. How about I take someone else's canopy and I change a few things and sell it as the best thing since sliced bread. I have seen them write that they developed the extremes and it simply isnt true. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I let my chest strap out till there is slack in it and my slider still isnt pulled taught, but I guess if there is a real small slider it might. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

I could be wrong, but Ive seen people do some real sick shit with a slider and a p/c still on the canopy. And I have seen canopies with them gone do not as well. I think the gains are probably slight and all else needs to be perfect. If anything, I would think the bag and p/c would cause more drag than a properly stowed slider. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Of course size makes a difference, but wingloading is the bigGEST factor in the flight of the canopy. A 170 at 2.0 is more responsive than a 170 at 1.0. Again, of course there is, but wingloading is the most prevelant. Most jumpers wont fly 2 different size wings at the same loading, so its all relative to each jumper. Wingloading is the most commonly abused trait of canopies today, especially by newer jumpers. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome

Yeah, I was like you, too Here are a few. Elliptical is not/does not mean dangerous. Making a canopy elliptical can make it more efficient and usually makes it turn faster. The shape doesnt necessarily make it dive faster/more. Some ellipticals can dive less than a square. Wing loading is the biggest factor in the flight of the canopy. Cross bracing is a way of keeping a canopy in the shape it was built to be so when it is loaded highly (like 2.0:1 and over) it flies properly. Regular canopies (7 and 9 cells) have a point at which wing loading makes them fly less efficiently Airlocks are only a device to keep the air inside a canopy in the event of a collapse (ie turbulence and very deep braked slow flight) They are not meant to increase the performance of the canopy. Sorry if Im rambling, I like this stuff. Anyway, if you havent, read the seminars by John LeBlanc on the PD site. Ask on the dz why people fly their canopies and watch how canopies fly. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome