jimmytavino

never said i would "report him to the police". ...Where I come from we tend to "take care of things ourselves",,, but through the proper channels... Not interested in befriending him either.... He sounds like a hot head. This kid DOES need to learn some manners,,, and needs to learn to control himself.... I know very little about him, except for what our son has told us.... Jim reports that he knew who this person was... and doesn't much care for the behavior that he sees now and has seen in the past from this 17 yr. old.... I have often felt the best approach in that case is to just " stay away from" such people..... Jim reports that he's been trying that,,, ( after his attempt at "witty reparte'' failed.)... but that this kid has been going out of HIS way to chase down our son..... ... Anyway in ONE HOUR I visit the school... I'll keep y'all posted... jmy ......edited.......to add ....... this morning at 7:45 am I was at the main office and met with a staff person,, in whom i have confidence... He said that without indicating to our son,,,that I had visited him,,,, he would call our son to the office to discuss.. I asked him to first call one of Jim's friends,,, in order to get accurate information concerning this thing,,,,since my words,,, are second hand.. and therefore less credible...he said he would.. and said he would also call Jim to his office.. ( This person is a Guidance Counselor who was assigned our son,, when Jim First entered High School.. he Knows our son... .... last night before I could sleep, I also called the local police dispatch desk and spoke directly with a staff person... I asked if an officer is assigned to the school and was told ,,, not generally,,I mentioned my last name,, and our concerns... I was asked if I wanted an officer dispatched,, and said,, "no no no....i plan to speak with someone, face to face in the morning..." I was back home by the time our son left for School,,,(as a senior he's not required to attend Homeroom,, and his first class is after 8:30 ) and asked him to "Please speak to someone in the office"... as soon as he arrived.... He seemed unwilling to do that.... I said,,,, " Do NOT hit this kid..." he said " what if HE starts it...."???? and I laid a fatherly reply on Him,,, which was...,,,, " It's not a fight,, until BOTH people 'start' it,,,,,up til then it's an assault and my last words were.. "don't"... ............ ... now I have to get off to MY workday,,, and I wait and I wonder.....But i won't worry..... our son is a good kid... today will be a chance for him to prove it to us once again...

...roger that .... and this is a factor which Our son pointed out to us...... right off the bat....( he may be watching too much Judge Judy ) In fact,,,this is why He said he would not be Goaded into some "off school grounds fight".... he said IF it has to happen,,, he would rather it happen at school... I say... It DOES NOT have to happen at all....... but i will not allow Jim to take some low blow,,, and not respond... I like the idea about a police officer who may be assigned to the H.S. as part of his/her "regular duty'.. i will look into that aspect of things..... thanks all.... jaytee

I'm pretty sure that was written by a Toronto area skydiver named Scott Smith. .... ' i hear the engines rumble,,,, i gotta take a tumble.... Grab me a piece of the wind....... Not sure who Wrote it,,,, but is absolutely IS from Norman Kents Video... FROM WINGS CAME FLIGHT which also includes the CReW footage to the tune of , ...."we'll go crrrruuuuuiiissin" with the top doooooownnnn... Stack 'em up Jack way above the ground.... and hell it's not THAT OLD.... of a video....my copy is from the Late '80s....

thanks..... i plan to visit the school in the morning,,,, for the purpose of communication.... My son is reluctant to tell me the students last name... and i would rather not turn this into a major issue...... but enough is enough..... the town is mid sized, and the school district has a decent reputation BUt there are things that go on around here,,, that "never make it into the papers" if you get my drift... Perhaps this kid has behaved like this in the past perhaps he is just full of piss and vineger,,, and is looking for a target.... either way..... we are not playing along..... i will stop short of notifying police, since I have little faith in THEM,,,as well... but I will see that my son is safe.........and NO stranger will have such a negative impact on our family while I have anything to say about it....We don't fraternize with other parents very much and sort of keep to ourselves... But My son is starting at accept that "something IS gonna happen"..... well to quote Buzz Lightyear..... " Not today " !!!!!!!

... At supper tonight Our Son who is 18 years and 3 months of age, and a Senior in High School told us the following:.... .. there is a student in school who is a junior ( 17 years old) and who "has it in for me"...he has been pushing me to fight him,,,and it gets worse each day..". Apparently there was a verbal joust in the parking lot after school a week ago or so,, between this Junior and a friend of my Son...By association Our son Jim had some words with the 17 yr old... in an attempt to lighten the situation and put it behind them all.... and the kid had absolutely NO sense of Humor about it... So the last couple of days it's been,, "strutting and antagonizing" on this kids part,,, in an effort to " arrange some sort of fight......".Between Him, and our Son.... " Meet me behind such and such a place" the kid is saying " and we'll settle this" W T F ????? Our son is not a cowering wimp,,, nor is he a pushy and ill mannered lout....... But i do not think he wants to have to deal with this... He is an easy going person,,, has good manners and is considerate to others.. He is NOT quick to anger,,, but he DOES recognize what is happening here..... Today Wed.. he first brought this situation to our attention.... We are proud of him that he is comfortable enough with us to discuss it...and sensible enough to try to head this off before something happens... (apparently today the 17 yr old grabbed Jim by the lapel of his coat,, and shoved him against a wall. saying "let's fight" while they were both in a school hallway between classes......) Jim pulled this other students' hands from his jacket and moved away..... the 17 year old re-iterated his desire to "fight".... and demonstrated what our son described as ,, "very very agitated behavior"..... I will not stand by and wait for the last shoe to drop here... i will NOt see my son sucker punched by some goon of a H S student.... and for sure i will not see him with any injuries, especially facial.... ( can you say ,, broken nose,,, busted jaw, black eye??? ) from some sucker punch.. Plus,,,, God forbid,,, what if this "way over the edge intransigent". uses a weapon on My Child........ whoa..... let's not even go there....... Still if anything happens in the next day or two... either ON school property or off..... I feel it is a parents duty to alert certain officials,,,,, of our "prior to an altercation" Awareness of what is shaping up.... To document the situation as of Wed march 10th,,,,, so that in the event that ANYthing happens on the 11th or 12th we have then,,,,already notified School officials of our concerns.... Should we feel that the officials are BOUND and responsible to Protect our son....??? Maybe a little... Should they be responsible to diffuse the situation... . maybe a lot... How do we accomplish that without sounding like we're ratting on this kid....and how do we protect our sons' safety and reputation,, at the same time.... To just say.. " let the fight happen and the best man wins".... does not sit well with me... .to see my son injured,,, does not sit well with me... to see something happen off school property,,, and have to deal with local "law enforcement" does not sit well with me....... I think I will visit school at 8 am... tomorrow and spend 5 minutes alerting an assistant principal,,, ( unbeknownst to my son )..of what is going on..... Good idea???? Bad idea???? I feel a bit helpless.. I'm not trying to 'fight his battles" for him,,, but this is a minor misunderstanding that is getting way way carried away.... hell,,,, this kid assaulted our son today..... what do we do?????

Very good topic and it is simply common courtesy to allow a fellow jumper to decide if they would like to exit for a skydive or not... For sure anyone planning a personal skydive has that right...( and responsibility)

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....Only ONE time!!! It was the day on which i made my 1,200th jump... ( 9-24-80 ) I needed to get 5 jumps that day,,,and it was real busy... ( C182 DZ )... so the gang let me double manifest and I jumped my Friend Annette's Strato Star,,, on jump # 1199... It was small,,, and squirrelly,,, and had long lines....I pretty much stalled it on landing but I was in the pea gravel. so I got away with it... .... I recall deciding then and there,,,,, that I would NEVER jump another 5 cell again!!!.... I finished that day with # 1,200,,, on which we tried a night 10 way,,, out of 2 cessnas..

>>>>>Hahahahaha.....VERY Gooood !!!! that cracked me UP.....,hahahahaha.. her last comment got me to wonderin'...?? which one is the baby's Father!!!!!????? hahahahahahaha....

way to go !!!!! ...just be very very selective ,, regarding How you spend it.....remember how long it took to acquire it.. and buy wisely... when you shop... ......Hey can i borrow a quarter?????

... ...Before opening this thread.. my first reaction was.. Led Zeppelin,,, .. and then I OPEN the thread to see it as the First choice posted....I'll date myself here and say my next picks would be the BEATLES Abbey Road followed by A Question of Balance... MB's hahaha,, sorry to be "So 60's...... MAN !!!! "

No No No... I did not mean to discourage you...... You certainly should bring your rig along with you... How else will you skydive when you get there???? .. If you have another week or so,, can't you borrow a gear bag from a friend?????... If the rig is small enough and the bag large enough the helmet may fit in there as well...and then you're just a bit less obvious that way... that's all..!!!!

Oh that baby is gonna be carry on, there's no way Im checking it. It will be interesting to see the expression on the other passengers faces' too. Thanks again for the info.

...........proving once again..... " 'Tis better to be pissed Off than to be pissed On" (edited for spelling)

This is my take.... on the 182....versus the turbines " I'd rather take an Otter,,, freefall for 30 seconds, and find myself at 9,500 feet,,, than take a C182,,,, SIT in the airplane for 30 MINUTES,,,, and find myself at 9,500 feet.... really though..... While I did love .....all the great times enjoyed while jumping from 180s and 182s...as well as all the people with whom we shared those good times.... it is understandable that now that we have such better access to turbines,,,,,those "multi-person elevators" would be the aircraft of choice... .... ..there's just something about.... "A Thousand feet a minute" ,,,, which is hard to resist.....

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my heart goes out to you steve1 and to your family and of course to your brother... so many difficulties and obstacles we must face as we go through life.....The JOYS of parenting ,,, The AGONIES of parenting... When a family member has any illness,,,it can be SO difficult...... for all..... May you each find peace and may your brother be at ease.....and be welcomed in Heaven..

I see.... thanks for clarifying.. must be I didn't read your original post thoroughly enough...my bad...Did your reserve opening cause your 3 ring release handle to leave you,, upon it's deployment.... When you landed was just one side disconnected,,, or both......?? and for sure... judging by your main canopy size and shape ( elliptical?? ) ,, you did the right thing... ( I jump a big ole' spectre 210... never had a spinning opening) ... so as I say... we may EACH have our own personal response to similar emergencies hahahaha..

hmmmmm... I'm not sure,,, if I would go immediately to my reserve..... especially if you identify such a problem,,, and are at 6,000 feet..

well I get it !!!! to say I hook turn EVERY jump,,, tells me that your mindset under canopy is a selfish one,,,, cause unless you do nothing but solos........there must always be OTHER canopies in the air,,, while YOU are settin' up your Grand Finale' ...... If you have the attitude,,, that every jumps concludes with a hook downwind ,base, and final....... one of these days,, you may just hook INTO one of those 'Under 1000" jump "novices", ( by YOUR standards ) ... who may just be trying to do a straight in landing.....Circumstances vary on every jump,,, wind, weather, conflicting canopy traffic,,, etc.. Try as we may,,, and being as careful as we all THINK we are.... at some point,,, flight path conflicts,,,, will occur...... so good luck dude... swoop all you want,,,, hook turn your ass off,,,,, but DON'T , take out.... ANYbody.....cause IF you do,,, all your glory and past super swoops will be forgotten....you'll be know as a person who creamed themselves,, or worse,,, who creamed someone else!! Why is it that so many people feel it's necessary to INCREASE speed as we get nearer to the ground,,, instead of DECREASING speed..... Man years ago all we did was freefall relative work... then came canopy to canopy relative work,,, NOW we are seeing so many people getting "carried away"...from Canopy to Planet relative work..... well have at it .... only I'll be sure to be on the GROUND,,,, while you're " doing a hook turn on EVERY jump " However this thread is about wingloading,,, and just because a person,,, UPS the peformance envelope of their canopy doesn't mean they do it to "improve the hook turn capabilty"......two different subjects... "Up Size, Down Size,, why can't we all just be happy with the Right Size"???

I do... primary rig is a javelin with a PD spectre swiftplus reserve and cypress...... made about 90 % of my jumps last year with it.. secondary rig is a JumpShack Racer with an RW Challenger 240 , swift plus reserve,,, no cypres...I use it for accuracy jumps..occasional back to back loads and the few times where there is a slot available on the sunset load,, and I didn't have a chance to pack my spectre.....Both are BOC deploy and roughly similar in size of main canopy..

QuoteI have close to 1000 jumps and have never jumped anything loaded over 1.25:1. My current canopy is loaded just under 1.0:1. __________________________________________________ Pretty much the same for me.....lisa..