peacefuljeffrey

Now, do you think that's because he had a plan and didn't articulate it (as elementary as that would have been) or that maybe, he just didn't have fuckall of a plan? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Kinda makes you wonder if a woman should be entrusted with "the Button." - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Some people seem to believe that if someone has something political to say, everyone has to just drop everything and pay attention to her. Well I have a bulletin for such people: get in fuckin' line. LOTS of people have something to say. Doesn't mean you can just pick your time in the middle of someone else's dealie. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I've seen someone get arrested for mouthing off to a cop. It had nothing to do with refusal. Guy called the cop a f'n idiot in a non-threating manner (it was apparent he was annoyed but not angered). You don't think I'm going to defend that, do you? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Cars are already registered and illegal if not registered. However, to clarify my original question, there are many illegally owned guns in circulation (such as guns in the possession of felons). What is the process by which a legally owned gun becomes an illegally owned one, and I'll add, what should law abiding citizen gun owners do to prevent their guns from becoming illegally owned? Do you believe they have any responsibility in the matter? They should have all the responsibility for the CRIMINAL ACTS OF OTHERS (burglary and gun theft/possession of gun by felon) that CAR owners have for the theft of their cars by criminals who use them to kill people, or to escape from bank robberies, etc. If you are prepared to hold the gun owner from whom a gun is illegally stolen criminally accountable, what if the item the criminal steals is a butcher knife, or an axe, and he kills someone with that? Besides, you are wrong on a major "factual" count: cars are NOT "illegal if not registered." They must be registered ONLY if they are to be used on public roads. I could own a hundred cars if I wanted to. They don't need to be registered unless I drive them on the roads. So if I don't plan to take my guns out in public, according to your logic I should not have to register them. And besides, registering cars does ZERO to prevent them from being either: -used criminally by their owners -stolen and used criminally by the thief Besides, does anything prevent someone from just flouting the law and going ahead and driving an unregistered car on the roads? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

We won the war for U.S. independence by fighting. If we had sat there and stood in the way of redcoats and put flowers into their musket barrels, what do you think would have happened? Would we be independent? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Not only is it feasible, but it's a LOT more likely to succeed. One person stopped a tank in Tiannamen Square. With a gun woul've been fodder. Still, I can't get around the notion that the tank driver agreed to stop. Besides, I thought students were MASSACRED at Tienamen Square... Am I misremembering my history again? On a day-to-day basis, no, I have my guns because I don't want to be a victim of your average, garden-variety criminal. A secondary benefit to having guns is having a large armed populace to stand as a deterrent to government tyranny. But no, my personal guns are mostly for personal defense from the criminal element. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

That's not "fighting against a government." That's "appealing to a government." What would they have done if that government had decided, "Fuck it! You got yourself a fight!"? It would have been "fight, or die as a pacifist." I think you are engaging in hyperbole because it makes your point look all special. You don't REALLY agree with that assessment, because you can look right to the recent contested presidential election(s) and see that we did NOT resort to violent conflict because of political discord. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

How many illegal guns are in circulation? How did they get to be illegal? By what process did they change status from legal guns belonging to law abiding citizens? How many of them are stolen (or lost) from the cops or the military? Would you advocate against their having guns the way you do against civilians having guns, just because they could end up in criminals' hands? I was living on Long Island when, in the mid '90s, a parks police station was broken into and a few dozen GLOCK pistols were stolen -- sure to end up in criminal hands since one had to be a criminal to do the break-in in the first place. Kallend, you talk a line of shit, here. You say, on the one hand, that you "support the second amendment" (i.e. you support the right to keep and bear arms); but I suspect that you do so ONLY because it is the law of the land, and NOT because you actually believe it is an inherent right of humans to have the means to self defense. I suspect that if the second amendment were repealed tomorrow, you would be squarely on the side of, "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in." I wonder if you would be so cavalier if the right to free speech were suddenly written out of the Constitution... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Sticks and stone can break my bones, but WORDS those can REALLY hurt.... India, the worlds largest democratic nation, demonstrated that very nicely during its "fight" for independence. The only time, it seems to me, that pacifists win against those who are capable and willing to use violence, is when the latter people decide of their own accord not to just kill the pacifists and be done with them. Is it possible that people who are so-called "pacifists" succeed in compelling the violence-doers to back down do so because there actually is a threat, implied in a larrrrrrge number of pacifists, that if the killing attacks started, the millions and millions of pacifists would just renounce pacifism and fight, with overwhelming numbers on their side? Maybe the pacifists won simply because the belligerents were afraid that if they initiated violence, the millions of pacifists would simply turn into combatants overnight. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Fine, but why are you acting so stupid that you seem to believe it would be YOU with your PUNY WEAPON against the "current US military"? We are talking about multitudes. Each may have "only" a good quality hunting rifle. But do you need more than that to pick off a single soldier in the woods from a hidden vantage point? Are you saying that sniping is not an effective military tactic? No one said it had to be a single guy with his .308 to take on the entire military, kallend. You're an engineer, right? Do you design and build strawmen for a living? I have never "allowed" that to happen. Should I be punished (via confiscation of the guns I have never allowed criminals to get possession of) for never having provided a gun to a criminal? You'd better give up your car, kallend. Cars are stolen all the time, joyrided, and used to collide with and kill innocent people. YOU could be the next person who provides a lethal car to a criminal. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

You can choose to believe what you will BUT it is still happening.It may not be systemic now.. but there are PLENTY of people still perpetrating hate crimes. Oh, you're talking about HATE crimes. I thought those were just ordinary crimes perpetrated as a direct result of hating the person's "group." Discrimination is THE crime we're talking about. Not allowing someone into a restaurant. Not allowing them to vote. Not allowing them to live in a certain neighborhood. A "hate crime" is a regular crime with a bigoted motivation. (It's also the criminalization of THOUGHT, but that's another thread altogether.) Since you admit that, because bigoted discrimination is banned by law across the board, it is NOT SYSTEMIC, I see nothing else that the government should be obligated to do apart from prosecute anyone who now breaks the anti-discrimination laws. And if the crime is a murder or other attack, we don't even NEED anything about discrimination or hate to prosecute the attacker. There are already laws against harming others. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Really? An absolute right, huh? Why not go to your local airport and start jabbering about how you thought you might want to bring a bomb onto the plane but then decided not to. Even that will get you arrested, charged, and imprisoned. So much for your bravado about your absolute right to speak your mind anywhere and in front of anyone. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

If only she were a convicted pedophile priest, instead of just a depraved torturer/rapist/murderer... 'cause then we could feel good about putting a lifer up to the task of strangling her in jail... But she's just a torturer/rapist/murderer. We'd just feel too bad about bringing her life to an early end... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, ok. What the fuck, dude? You actually calling me a LIAR? Too bad I'd get banned if I told you where to stick that accusation. Where the fuck do you get off? Do you want me to have my asian, black and hispanic friends CALL you? Give me your fuckin' phone number, then. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

But that was then, and this is now. Time to move on. "Those who do not learn the lessons of history..." No one said "forget the lessons," dude. They said don't pretend that things that were legally rectified are still entrenched legal doctrine and practice. I'll leave you with this: Former NRA President Charlton Heston actually marched with Martin Luther King Jr. for civil rights. Actually marched with him. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

When was the last time any black person I know personally had any of that happen to him/her, for that matter? Are black people still denied the right to register to vote, by law? Are they legally allowed to be made into slaves? Lynched? Kept out of restaurants? These things may have happened in the PAST, but they are officially ILLEGAL and if anyone does them they risk serious repercussions. I don't believe for a minute that it is happening in any real sense anymore. An isolate case or two of individuals being assholes to black people is not the same as government-sanctioned, legal racism and bigotry. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

You're talking sense but no one's listening. Like I've said here before, it's like feeding priceless paintings to a goat. Your "wisdom" is analagous to a priceless painting?! If only I had known before I ate it and shitted it out! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I'm a life member. I have seen very clearly that the only people who view the NRA as a "far-right reactionary group" are those who don't know a fucking thing about it. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Getting them to see how obviously wrong they are and shut the fuck up and stop trying to cause everyone to have to live by their flawed ideology. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Okay, so now anyone with mental issues (Depression, Asperger Sindrome, etc) is not a law abiding citizen... So what will come next, blacks, inmigrants... People who have mental illness are prohibited by law from owning firearms. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Nice.. Alcohol & Guns what a fine mix I go to bars plenty of times and never imbibe in alcohol. Is there something about pubs that you have in England where they FORCE everyone who enters to drink and get drunk? Can't I just go in for a coke and a shepherd's pie? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

The gun shop in my previous home town (Glenwood, IL) was shot up some 5 or 6 years ago, and the owners killed. There are actually many many cases of gun shops being robbed at gunpoint. WTF is wrong with you? I said GUN SHOW! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

At least then the dollar would have more history and dignity behind it. For the time being, the title of "coolest historical currency" would probably be the pound sterling. But not for long, I guess. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Like I said, the system is ill. 12 fuckin' measly years for murdering her own sister for depraved sex acts. Great. Let's keep going easy on demented, violent criminals. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"