peacefuljeffrey

How could this scenario possibly be managed? You'd have thousands of people, each wanting to get his/her entitlement to "just a sec" worth of heckling. And the speech would never happen. The purpose of the speech BY someone is the speech BY that person -- NOT as a forum for opposing viewpoints. They can be made and expressed in coffeehouses, offices, newspaper editorials, on streetcorners... The speech is not the time to criticize the speech. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

As I said above, No. But this is where you have to look at this particular case and not let yourself get sucked into "the analogy game". If Sheehan (or for that matter Mrs Young) had simply sat there wearing that particular shirt and otherwise behaved herself, I personally don't think that would have disrupted the President's speech one iota. No, except to turn attention away from the president and what he said, in the next day's media circus where all anyone can talk about is Cindy Sheehan and the message on the shirt she got away with wearing during the president's speech. You don't think that the press would make a bigger story out of that than out of whatever Bush said in the speech? I do. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

As people like you have been wont to point out, those Iraqis and Afghanistanis are not a credible threat to Americans living in America. I would rather shoot people who are IN this country, endangering actual U.S. citizens domestically as they try to go about their peaceful lives. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

In your zeal to be partisan, you miss the point. Whatever. I forgot you're a last-word freak. Here's the paradox of making the accusation that someone is a "last-word freak": In order to make the accusation, YOU have to be the "last-word freak"! P.S. I don't count as the last-word freak because this was not my argument, it was between you two... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

You are making creepy, floorboard-creaking stalker noises again... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

So Mrs young mouthed off to police too. Why did she not get arrested? Gee, uh, because "mouthing off" is not a crime unless it is accompanied by a refusal to obey a lawful order from a police officer. Do you want "mouthing off" to be an arrest-worthy crime? I thought you were protesting her in favor of first amendment rights... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

She was probably charged for wearing a t-shirt the same way Clinton was impeached for getting a blowjob... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I dont remember.. you is for us or you is agin us. Since she is agin them.. she is obviously a terrorist. creeeeeeaaaaaak - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

It's a disruption if it is likely to cause more attention to be focused on the idiots wearing the shirts than on the actual event that is supposed to be taking place. If you go to a fancy restaurant wearing an "I'm with stupid" t-shirt when the establishment has a formal-attire stipulation, it is NOT a violation of your first amendment rights if they refuse you service or entry. Likewise, conduct (which can include what you are wearing, particularly if it articulates a statement) can be restricted at functions like the state-of-the-union address. What if they had been wearing plain clothes, but wouldn't stop SPEAKING during the address? SPEAKING is far more clearly identifiable as "free speech" than a t-shirt is -- and surely they would have been ejected for not shutting up. I don't see the difference, and I don't see the problem. No one is telling them they can't go on talk shows and air their statements, or wear the shirts on the street, or publish their views in blogs and newspapers... There is no violation of "free speech" there -- especially since the prohibition is against congress making a LAW restricting freedom of speech and of the press... NOT against rules of entry for an event. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Cases like this scream advocacy for the viewpoint of the death-penalty supporters. In a world where some schmuck bleeding-heart judge/jury/court/justic system can give someone who took part in such heinous crimes a mere 12 years in prison -- and a chance at a life afterward -- the only true justice really would be execution for such a criminal. Sicker than these disgusting murderers is the fact that some people out there consider them to be worthy human lives, people to be loved, understood, protected, championed -- just as much as those who were killed by them (or sometimes more so ). Some people's priorities are ass-backward, and they care for criminals, rather than for their victims. I think that as long as we let people who are soft on such vicious degenerates run things, we will suffer more at their hands than if we took an iron-fisted approach to dealing with them. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, until your government finally sells out to the One World Currency (the Euro). How long will British sovereignty last after that? That'd be some serious momentum toward giving everything over to the ol' coalition. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Hey i resemble that remark. i dont have mine done yet but plan on. im going with 14 gauge at first though. i dont plan on gaugeing `em but i didnt plan on gaugeing my tounge tongue either. now ive got a 4! ps: im in the army, who'da thunk it I thought you get in trouble in the army when you get stuff like tattoos and piercings. My brother told me that when he was in. (He didn't get any.) Another guy I met recently said that in the marines, if you get yourself hurt at a dangerous activity, they'll gig ya for that, too. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

There was a GI Joe movie? And Snake-Eyes fought with his sword?! Did he actually slice people and get blood?! When was this?! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

polly purebread That's "Sweet Polly Purebred" to you! I was a huuuuge fan of "Battle of the Planets" (what you lamers are calling "G-Force") and I used to pretend I was Mark by throwing a cheap plastic dart the way he threw his pointy shuriken-like thing. I need to get that stuff on DVD, and fast! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I was pretty big on "M.A.S.K." and "Voltron, myself. Oh, and here's a real sleeper -- "The Galaxy Rangers"!! That was the best! They integrated some computer graphics into it on occasion, and that made it really cool. And there was the "Silverhawks" as well. They were awesome! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Yeah, but if you really cared, you'da rimmed 'er. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

When did she say she was talking about you? What was that she was saying about egos? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Who really gives a fuck? The whole Ford-thing was a red herring they threw in to distract from the fact that they have not a fucking thing to say about the MAIN issues I raised. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Well, I still find it hard to stomach the idea of a nation's people paying millions of their own dollars every year to keep a figurehead living the life of...well, royalty. It's a sickening idea. It's funny, lots of brits condemn the U.S. for still employing the death penalty, calling it archaic. WTF is a monarchy then?? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Oddly enough, cigarette smoke really annoys me, but I find cigar smoke to be quite pleasant. Edit: as long as it's not the cheap shit. I like pipe smoke, and clove cigarettes, but I detest the smell of cigar smoke. It's like they packed a bunch of fuckin' humus from the forest floor, including animal shit, into a tube so they could burn it. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

creeeeeaaaaaaak... - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

"Weapon of choice"... You ever see that video by "Fatboy Slim" with Christopher Walken dancing around this hotel lobby? Cool stuff! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Some of us were never fooled in the first place. Western defenders of islam love to say, "It's just a few of the radical islamists making the problem seem like alll of islam is belligerent and unwilling to live in peace. Really it's just the tiny minority." Well, here are NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS demonstrating that same intransigence and belligerence. There is no mistaking it this time. Islam will not tolerate the freedom of ANYONE ELSE IN THE [I]WORLD[/I], even on the soil of other sovereign nations, to badmouth it or even just point out its flaws. - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

No one likes the team that dances too much in the end zone. Oh, fuckin' puh-lease. No one likes the team that won't even play the fuckin' game they challenged the other team to play as soon as it becomes clear the other team is ready to kick its ass on every play! - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

When was the last time a monarch contributed more to his society than he cost it? - -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"