ChasingBlueSky

It's always good to come back to the DZ.com forums to see the pseudo elitism is still present. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Or when peaceful protesters are arrested in the Twin Cities while doing nothing in their homes as Rush Limbaugh goes on the air and commands his audience to disrupt and riot in Denver. Here is another cool thing to ponder as people complain about the flooding tomorrow and the "idiots" that live in NOLA....ask them how they feel about off shore drilling. Because off shore of NOLA has helped remove the natural barrier to the floods by dredging out over 75 shipping lanes through the marshes. There is a thought that if the marshes were all still in place that almost none of the storm surge would hit the city. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

wait....for....it....OMG! There isn't just one place to point the finger! Whatever will we do!? We can't have bi-partisan blame, that just doesn't work out well for talking points! Bottom line is that the people of New Orleans prepared for a Hurricane and would have done well to survive that. Go back and watch the news from 2005 from before the storm as it's been well archived. The city did board up, they did have supplies, they did lock shit down. Many stayed and many used the shelter that was provided by the city. Again, if it was just a few days of riding out the storm Katrina would be just like Andrew was. But it was the levee not the storm that led to the major disaster and deaths. The people were not prepared for a 2nd disaster and yet somehow it's their fault they were no ready for something they didn't know could happen. I'm sure if a alien invasion happened during the storm as well it would be their fault for not being ready for that either? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Oh, you mean like the Army Corp of Engineers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wln_iq5bc8k BTW, if you think some whackjob put that together, Harry Shearer (you know, that Simpsons guy) is a big supporter of NOLA and is using that video to help educated people that are stuck on what a cable news channel told them. So, the people in NOLA would have been fine riding it out, but it was the levee break that caused the issues. And since 2011 is when they were hoping to have it fixed by (um, why that long?), it will most likely be an issue again now. People in other states ride out class three and class four hurricanes when they hit and do just fine. If you looks at the amount of deaths caused each hurricane season you would understand that: http://www.iii.org/media/facts/statsbyissue/hurricanes/ And since they know the levee is an issue this time, the state of emergency was declared a full 36 hours previous to Katrina. Also, mandatory evacuation was enacted this time unlike Katrina. It's not a matter of dem/rep in office or in control and I can't believe you went there. It was a poorly handled event even years before it made landfall. It amazes me how dropzone.com is the only place I run into where people are so quick to jump to such odd positions within 1 or 2 posts.....and forget all the talk from the last time the topic came up. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

From my understanding, the dead centering would be better than it moving just to the west of New Orleans. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Yes, we should only make fun of Obama, his name, call him a Muslim, spread lies about him, spread mistruths, etc. Now, if a real opinion piece shows up against McCain that challenges his character....woa!!!! DONT GO OVERBOARD THERE BUDDY! WE CANT HAVE THAT. This guy isnt swiftboating McCain. He was pestered by many military members to give his opinion because they knew who he was previous to this election and his relationship to McCain. Apples/Oranges. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

That would change their opinion? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

He voted against a bill that was titled as being against partial birth abortions, but in fact was worded as being against ALL abortions. In other words, he's smart enough to not fall for simple-minded tricks. What simple minded people don't understand is that you can still be pro-choice and anti-abortion. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

So that's what, 3 electoral votes? Oh look, Alaska is a red state anyhow. Here is a question I saw on Bitch PhD that they feel should be asked of Palin by Biden: If you were elected vice-president, and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act came before the Senate once again, and the vote was tied, and you were called upon in your constitutionally-mandated role as tie-breaker, how would you vote? Would you, like me, vote that when women are denied equal pay for equal work, they should get restitution, or would you, like John McCain, vote that a Supreme Court decision making it nearly impossible for them to receive that restitution, should stand? http://bitchphd.blogspot.com/2008/08/confidential.html Oh, and she doesn't piss me off. McCain's idiocy makes me question his sanity thou. I will enjoy watching a bunch of mysonginistic republicans and righty's will have to stick up for a minority for once. Did you see how pissed off Romney and Ridge are that they were passed up for her? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I read that Willow and Piper are two of the girls. Guess she is a fan of TV shows with witches on them?? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

No she isnt. She's would be a GILF. get it right www.vpilf.com Did you see the picture of her family in there? How old are her two older daughters? Damn... Ya...you may want to rethink that: 18 (son), 17, 13, 7 (all daughters), six months (son) btw, that last child was born at age 43 for her because she apparently doesn't believe in birth control. The kid may also have Down Syndrome _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

No she isnt. She's would be a GILF. get it right www.vpilf.com _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Yup, cute woman that agrees with neocon views. I see why they chose someone with no experience. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals. After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace. Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain Phillip Butler | March 27, 2008 As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States. When I was a Plebe (4th classman, or freshman) at the Naval Academy in 1957-58, I was assigned to the 17th Company for my four years there. In those days we had about 3,600 midshipmen spread among 24 companies, thus about 150 midshipmen to a company. As fortune would have it, John, a First Classman (senior) and his room mate lived directly across the hall from me and my two room mates. Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million or more years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would someday be a Senator and candidate for President! John was a wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent. But he was intent on breaking every USNA regulation in our 4 inch thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the Academy. John had me "coming around" to his room frequently during my plebe year. And on one occasion he took me with him to escape "over the wall" in the dead of night. He had a taxi cab waiting for us that took us to a bar some 7 miles away. John had a few beers, but forbid me to drink (watching out for me I guess) and made me drink cokes. I could tell many other midshipman stories about John that year and he unbelievably managed to graduate though he spent the majority of his first class year on restriction for the stuff he did get caught doing. In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class. I and many others have speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both U.S. Naval Academy graduates. People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW. John's treatment as a POW: 1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals. 2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case - new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda. 3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first. 4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor - 8, Service Crosses - 42, Silver Stars - 590, Bronze Stars - 958 and Purple Hearts - 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many - not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe. John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did. I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate. Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years. I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button. It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration. I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be. Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

The guy who says he was a POW to every question that is asked???? BTW her husband works for BP on the North Slope _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Roman temple? So using the same artwork that exists on the White House is a bad thing? You guys really are stretching now _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

http://www.vpilf.com/ Joke all you want, but now he has a trophy wife and a trophy Veep on his arm at all times. Think about him walking on stage in the next few weeks with Cindy on one side and Palin on the other....then think about the typical Republican.... McCain's first wife? Beauty queen. McCain's second wife? Beauty queen. McCain's VP pick?.... BEAUTY QUEEN (lost the Miss Alaska pageant) _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Suddenly John McCain decides experience ISN'T important and goes with the winner of the Miss Wasilla beauty pageant. If his wife is disfigured in a car accident anytime soon, she better hope the pre-nup holds up in court. Blues, Dave Don't forget that little corruption scandal going on up there involving all the Alaskan Republicans. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Just to help you to be disappointed in the movie more? It's made by the guy that made the last one.... _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Hey, if they were pro McCain then you wouldn't hear things like this in the mainstream media when he talks about his experience: Oh wait...they are ignoring that! Only a few blogs from the Washington Post has gone over this. But it's campaign time, it's impossible to work and do that! Well: You can find the rest here: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/29/11201/1844/134/558201 (WOA! He just linked a liberal blog site, this entire post must be wrong then....or so the detractors that won't come up with counter proof will say.) _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Indeed he does. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODliYjkwN2RkNWExMWE5OGQxMzA2ODNlZTc5NTRhYjY= _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

People made money from Bushism. I like making fun of goofy statements as well, and these helped someone steal an election and start a war! "They hate us because of our freedom" uhhuh...ook Georgie Boy. Stupidity is very much on both sides of the aisle in DC. If you listen closely, you can hear McCain telling us about economics and how to win a war! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

The week following 9/11/2001. They are thinking 100,000 showed up for him....and cheered him. Hopefully this stuff doesn't go to Obama's head. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I know that CBS News has started to edit his flubs, it could explain why you are missing out on them. It's really sickening to see what the media is doing with this election. They don't care about it, they just want their ratings _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....