ChasingBlueSky

Yeah, you quoted me, but still claim you were not replying to me...Right It is pretty clear you were, it is pretty clear that you made a false assumption, and it is pretty clear you will not admit you did any of it. Like I said...Nice to know you will stand up and admit when you are wrong OMG I NEED THE LAST WORD ON THE INTERWEBS. LOL Ok, sure whatever, think what you want and reply to this with some snarky comment again. Hey, about that financial crisis. Anyone actually read the CDO stuff I posted? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

This was replied directly to me from you: heh...paranoia It was a continuation of my original thought to the original post I made....which you replied to. Oh ya, can't wait for more redundant misinterpreted posts with multiple quote/replies. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Ya. That's a shopped pic btw. But the media never flavors the reporting towards the mood of fear, eh? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Irony score 10/10 since you made an assumption about me and will not apologize for making it. As you said..."Get it now? Geesh." Just an FYI....You lost, you know it. Apology? Did your internet ego get bruised when you read the tone of something wrong and thought for even a moment that I cared? My original post wasn't even to you. Hell, I didn't even know you were still on these boards. What assumption did I make of you? I said I didn't care about your anecdotal evidence, and I never will. I wouldn't care if your big toe took out a loan for a new slipper and it made all the payments on time. MY POINT was about the broken financial system and the greed that drove us to this failure point. Somehow you are making this personal and it's making me laugh. MY POINT continues to be on the financial crisis. And if I did lose an argument to you on the internet, tell me, did I really lose anything at all? (hint again, sarcasm). _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

No, McCain just asked for tax breaks to be added to the bill. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And more phoning it in: The topic here is the bailout vote _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Another McCain lie: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/29/mccain-phone McCain: ‘It’s not my style to simply phone it in. [QUOTE] I know that many of you have noticed it’s not my style to simply phone it in. I’m a Teddy Roosevelt Republican. I believe our leaders belong in the arena — in the arena — when your country faces a challenge. Not on the road in a campaign[/QUOTE] http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/back-in-town-but-not-on-capitol-hill Back in Town, but Not on Capitol Hill - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com [QUOTE] By mid-afternoon, Mr. McCain’s closest adviser, Mark Salter, told reporters that Mr. McCain would not go to Capitol Hill on Saturday but would make phone calls to try to push the deal along. “He’s calling members on both sides, talking to people in the administration, helping out as he can,’’ Mr. Salter said. Asked why Mr. McCain did not go to Capitol Hill after coming back to Washington to help with negotiations, Mr. Salter replied that “he can effectively do what he needs to do by phone.’’[/QUOTE] _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Here, try this on for size Did Liberals Cause the Sub-Prime Crisis? Conservatives blame the housing crisis on a 1977 law that helps-low income people get mortgages. It's a useful story for them, but it isn't true. Robert Gordon | April 7, 2008 http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis And Rushmc, if you want a more ethical journalistic story on the rise of Obama, try this: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Care to name them, or are you just parroting McCain's misleading talking points? Interesting how your proof was ignored. You could also add this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1222707082-1XKK8s3CHQPVbleS7mNUlw _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erik-ose/pro-mccain-group-dumping_b_125969.html I'm sure that video will be highlighted there soon. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

You really need to get off your high horse and stop making assumptions. Next time I'll do this for you just so you can read my tone: [sarcastic]Clearly everyone was an economics major in college. [/sarcastic] Also, the claim about the myopic POV said it was a culture one, it wasn't aimed towards you. This is something that the MSM has pushed on us via media outlets that are reliant on Wallstreet investor money for advertising. Get it now? Geesh. MY POINT was that the real problem of our country isn't the defaulted loans; it's the system that was created to allow them. That system wasn't made to drive the free market, it was made out of greed. Even with the bailout the CDO market place will still be there. The SPV loophole isn't used anymore but it still used to resell trash multiple times over. This bailout will not change anything. edit: Just an FYI. I've been doing this internet thing since I had my own BBS which is going on nearly 20 years now. I tend to leave the ++reps and internet bickering to the younger generation and instead lean on my education to have conversations. I grew tired of the bullshit arguments long a go. But go ahead and challenge my manhood on the internet, I'm sure to lose sleep over it (hint, that was sarcastic). _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

So you will not admit you made a false assumption. You will not admit you were not correct, so you want to distract. Got it. Pretty sure my point, which I expounded upon with numbers and an article, covers what I needed to say. Your ability to turn everything into a strawman bores me and I have nothing else to say beyond what I contributed already. Continue to make your own assumptions, it won't bother me. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

The interwebs is serious business. http://xkcd.com/386/ _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Isn't it funny how Ron Paul was right? Bailout or not, nothing will change. The free market is not there anymore to help capitalism. It is there to make money for those that feel they are the smartest person in the room. Give them enough rope.... _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Ok, stick to your anecdotal stories and strawmans, you even drew me into using one. Meanwhile Wallstreet is happy to become socialist because they helped destroy the capitalist market. It only took our investors to prove Marx right. The system is broken and has been broken for years. They work with our money not to help the free market but to help their own personal interest. WaMu is seized and their CEO who is on staff for three weeks before he is fired gets to walk away with $16M. But yet people want to point the finger to the people that defaulted on their ARMs when their rate skyrocketed because those in Wallstreet needed more money. And here I thought Bush claimed he cleaned up Wall Street a couple years back. Meanwhile you have a company like Goldman that sells off subprime and then bets on the incoming collapse and it's executives make a windfall of $4B in 2007. Then there are the CDOs and their Special Purpose Vehicle which spawned blazing new industries of CDOs in the Caymen's. Short story on CDOs? You have a financial problem, well, repackage it into a CDO, offshore it to hide that risk and then sell it to Asia. Is it really something that could or should be sold? No, not at all. It's a major gamble, like placing your life savings on the long shot at your local horse track of winning the triple crown that year. So these guys made hard and fast with OUR money trying to make themselves more money and screwed up. Now they need $700B of OUR money to bail them out. Yet people want to point the fingers at those that defaulted. Ok, have fun. That's the problem here with our current myopic culture. People are looking to place blame on something they can understand and grasp and it's easy to see all the For Sale signs popping up around town. Then you think "well, hell, I managed it why can't they?" Meanwhile the man behind the current problem is giving it to you in the ass and walking away with your money and enjoying the high life with your money they gambled away. To help solidify your opinion you have the talking heads on TV telling you that you should be upset with Bob and Jane that defaulted and they are the reason why everything else is going wrong. And everyone smiles and nods as more money is taken out of their pocket. Long story on the just how destructive CDOs are. If you really wanted to learn just how deep this rabbit hole goes it will take you a few weeks of reading. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

General rules. Take one drink each and every time 1) either candidate actually answers the question he is asked 2) either candidate directly addresses the other (this rule is null if the format encourages this stuff) 3) either candidate brings up the bailout 4) you feel nauseous McCain rules. Take the prescribed drinks each and every time McCain 1) says "my friends" (one drink) 2) mentions his stint as a POW (one drink) 3) mentions "experience" (one drink) 4) threatens Iran (two drinks) Obama rules. Take the prescribed drinks each and every time Obama 1) mentions "change" (one drink) 2) refers to four more years of Bush (one drink) 3) waits ("deliberates") five or more seconds before answering (one drink) 4) threatens Pakistan (two drinks) Megarules. Drink your entire drink each and every time 1) McCain calls Obama a darkie 2) Obama admits that the surge is working _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Here, try this on for size Did Liberals Cause the Sub-Prime Crisis? Conservatives blame the housing crisis on a 1977 law that helps-low income people get mortgages. It's a useful story for them, but it isn't true. Robert Gordon | April 7, 2008 http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=did_liberals_cause_the_subprime_crisis _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

From the best source in polling http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ Insert normal caveats about daily tracking etc here with the added knowledge that patterns are being established which seem to be holding. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Wright believes that racism is a problem that tears away at the fabric of our country. Palin's pastor believes that there are witches in Africa that cause car accidents and need to be driven out of town. He teaches that the world is coming to an end in this lifetime. But I can see how people would get upset and make it a mainstream media talking point for months and barely mention Palin still attends and supports this church and it's teachings. Double standards with the GOP? Nah.....it's not like Rush went on for weeks about Edwards expensive haircut (which apparently made him gay) but doesn't mention McCain's $5000 makeup job. Or how the GOP went nuts over Kerry's attendance in the 2004 congress but have ignored McCain's similar record this year. whatever. seriously, this is reality TV and the GOP love pushing the white trash bullshit. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

The context? Have you not seen any news site that covered this in the last week? Google is your friend. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Then again, the Wright has never accused anyone of being a witch and attempted to get people to stone them to death either. Muthee has. Muthee and Palin both believe the 2nd coming of Jesus is coming soon. They both believe that when the end of days does come that Alaska will be the last refuge for humanity and that their church will be the beacon. Not sure about you, but I don't want someone hoping for the apocalypse sitting that close to the red button. You could end up seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CdKuLRmg8k _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

So individuals who were not fiscally responsible should not be helped but a systemic failure of banks that had the same problem should be bailed out? High risk asset backed securities like CDOs and their off shoring to hide the risk is more of major issue with our current economy than the person who defaulted on their mortgage when their rates went into orbit. I see a double standard here just because the banks tend to wear a suit. Meanwhile you have the GOP representative from MN claiming that it was the minorities getting subprimes that caused all of these issues. Oh, and I know they get only the best suits because I placed a few people within these CDOs and made a small fortune off of their irresponsible spending when they over staffed. They told me they were invincible to the economy for at least the next dozen years. I may not have studied the economy in college, but I was educated by the banks that are currently being closed on how they viewed it. This was only 2 years ago. But maybe we can keep continue to swapping anecdotal stories, eh? That should prove the point I'm sure. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

But when you look at it, McCain has been in the upper 10% or higher on missed votes for the Senate going back to '93. He outpaces everyone. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And how is Obama's multi-tasking? Can he be in 2 places at once? Awesome. You mean the McCain townhall meetings where he gives out tickets via his local campaign office and stocks them full of preset questions? Ya, I wonder why he passed on those. Oh look, another half truth coming from McCain. Obama did Multitask. He continued to campaign, prepared for the debate, read the bailout document and put in a call to congress today, and then flew to Wash DC. Not a bad two days and he didn't even have to grandstand to do all that. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Very funny. McCain has missed 64% of the votes in the current Congress. List While he was campaigning...that is understandable, but he would like to come back for an important vote. Let's look historically.....what is the percentage for the total votes McCain has missed in his 150 years in congress to percentage of Obama in his 2 weeks. Pardon the slight exageration, but you get my point and I'd like to know the percentages. Here ya go, turns out McCain is one of the worst Senators since 1993 on missing votes. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300071&tab=votes _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....