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Yep, it will go down as one of the biggest blown save opportunities in our history. Could have led a very strong coalition into a new order. Instead we make even more enemies. Couldn't have fucked that up worse if he had wanted to. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

The killers were mostly Saudis, and they did not train in Iraq. W made the intelligence fit his agenda. For that he is either incompetent or intentionally deceptive. Anyone still denying that Iraq was a target of convenience has got their head stuck in the sand. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Yes, a person must have a twisted set of principles to play politics at that level. Jimmy was way too principled for our legislators too deal with. He was the best man to be a leader amongst the bunch, but the worst candidate for "success" in the system. His goals and work ethic were top notch, but he was not willing to lie, cheat, and steal to reach them. And people wonder why we end up with the candidates we have. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I think this is one of those drama-laden statements that is best saved for whuffos. There are plenty of activities in which, once you get to a certain point in the activity, stopping all inputs and actions will result in death. Compare these 2: 1 - Once you jump from a plane, if you do nothing else, if you do not do SOMETHING, you will almost certainly die. 2 - Once you accelerate your car to 160MPH, if you do nothing else, if you do not do SOMETHING, you will almost cetainly die. One of the jumpers I know is a firefighter. Same kind of dramatic logic applies. Once you enter a burning building, if you do nothing else, if you do not do SOMETHING, you will almost certainly die. And so on and so forth. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I think we are on the same page. The only part I think is a big question mark is the number of active skydivers. Wish there was a way to know that; but I'd bet it is well under half of USPA's membership. Something else that I forgot was that the fatalities records seem to include worldwide. For simplicities sake, and to make it a meaningful comparison to stats on US drivers and traffic fatalities, I was wanting to compare US only. Either way (US or worldwide) it would seem we need to have a good handle on the number of actice skydivers in order to get to a meaningful comparison. mr music - - this is very good banter. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I thought that looking at it from an actuary point of view might provide some perspective. If you were going to insure drivers and skydivers for $1 million each, but rate them separately; you'd have to collect about $3000 from each skydiver annually, but only about $200 from each driver. That's going on my assumption of 10K skydivers to spread the risk. If that number is low, then the cost per skydiver increases. Sheds a little light on why they do not want to insure skydivers. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Yes, the unknown to me is the number of active skydivers. I suspect my guess of 10K to be low, maybe very low. Especially if the criteria is having a license and having jumped at least 2 times in the last 12 months. I think looking at the whole population, ignoring units, and just saying "People in the population who engage in this activity have X% higher probability of being dead 1 year from now than people in the population who engage in that activity; all other things being equal" is the only statistically meaningful way to compare. If you try to assign or compare units that do not equate across the activities, the numbers make less sense, not more. Trying to compare jumps to trips, or freefall time to drive time, or other stuff like that is what gets into the apples to oranges territory. There is a reason actuaries do not get into the units game. You can finagle the definitions to get the result to say whatever you want. Whereas X% of all skydivers will die in a given period versus Y% of drivers during the same period is as pure as it gets to stating the overall risk to the population. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

No. It's comparing the probability difference of death in a given time period based on participation in 2 distinct activities. Yes, if you drill into the details of the fatalities you will find lots of variation based on subcategories and personal habits. That does not make the initial comparison invalid. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Mama, dear -- a. Liberals have just as much right to vote and be a part of government. It's part of what makes America what it is. Conservatives, too. b. You don't really help your cause by misspelling government. Wendy W. Thanks for pointing out my typo, I type very fast and occasionally make mistakes. I understand we all have the right to vote, and we all have the right to freedom of speech, which is what makes America so awesome.... only problem is, if we elect a muslim into office, we will have bigger problems than the economy. I simply don't understand why people (Americans) can't wrap their heads around this.... After all it was those of the Muslim faith that killed so many 7 years ago.... Somebody's rascist slip is showing. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I am an atheist who married in a casino in Las Vegas. I have a marriage certificate, not a civil union certificate. Atheist here, but married in a chuch (made all parents so happy). My marriage certificate was issued by the state and has nothing to do with any church or religion. Marriage is a state sanctioned event. It's time the states change their laws and allow same-sex marriages. All the political gamesmanship and semantics surrounding "civil unions" is a load of crap that we'll probably have to put up with for a while; at least until after the current generation of stuffed-shirt fat white men that run our legislatures die off. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Yes, definitely. I was never one to panic anyway in tight situations (DON'T PANIC is one of my mantras). Awareness has increased tremendously though. I've taken the pretend-everyone-is-out-to-kill-you approach and applied it to many things. It is amazing how many more risks are out there and what you can do to manage them once you start looking carefully. I mean yeah, a lot of them are trivial, but finding and mitigating becomes a fun little game to play when doing otherwise very mundane things. Observation and objectivity; you must master the two obs. From Darrell Zero, the world's greatest PI. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

YEE HA! Good for you. Don't worry about the imperfections. Nobody expects it from you. More important than apologies at your level is recognizing the things you have to learn and keeping at it. The experienced folks have much to give - - drink it up. And don't forget where you came from when it's your turn to pay it back. That's what keeps this sport going more than anything else. There's nothing like taking a newbie on their best skydive ever. They land with this unbelievable smile, and you just know they are coming back for more. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I think being an active skydiver increases your chances of death by accident in any given year by a factor of about 20 over driving. My very crude (so crude in fact that this can only really be called an example) numbers used were: 200,000,000 active drivers 40,000 annual traffic deaths 1/50th of 1% 10,000 active skydivers 30 annual skydiving deaths 1/3rd of 1% Even if the numbers are off a good bit, the estimate is still in the ballpark; and by no stretch of imagination are the 2 activities remotely similar in risk. My biggest guess is on active skydivers. If that number is too high, then the percentage only gets worse. So if somebody has better numbers, plug them in. Of course when you start to drill down into the data certain trends make the overal probablilities very different for different groups of individuals. For example, teeneaged drivers are incredibly more dangerous to themselves and others than drivers in their 40's. Similar comparisons can be made by looking at categories of skydivers. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Which has my co-workers thrilled. I was a Catholic boy I was redeemed thru pain and not thru joy Now I'm a Catholic man I put my tongue to the rail whenever I can - Jim Carroll " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Off the top of my head: Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated Tonio K - Life In The Foodchain, H-A-T-R-E-D Nina Hagen - Africa Sweet - Ballroom Blitz Burning Sensations - Check Your Mail Jim Carroll - People Who Died Elvis Costello - Mystery Dance Joe Jackson - I'm The Man " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

About 2.5 Daily average of 1.0 I'll work on it " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Lemme guess; that big yellow stripe is Runway 43? " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Someone could plot the dots over several years, overall and by categories, then run the numbers to see if it is likely to be common cause (shit happens) or special cause (new problem) variation. The numbers are relatively small so you'd probably need to have at least 20 years of good data by category in order to establish common cause variation. I can't remember the formula for determining the sample period for annual stats in that low of a range (20 to 30 incidents per year). That's not much help from me; other than to say it could easily be done if someone had the data for a long enough period of time. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Rednecks, not hillbillies-there's a difference What's that diference??? Hillbillys doesn't fuck family closer than cousins??? Other way around. Rednecks usually respect first cousins - unless they are of age (over 14). Everything is fair game for hillbillies. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

But there was also no doubt where he was going to end up after coming into the corner that hot. I really wondered about that move. Was getting collected by the wall really worth leading the race for about 2 seconds? I'm sure he would not have done that if the car in third was close enough to make him pay for it by losing another spot. He had to know that was going to be an impossible line to hold at that speed. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Your a Lawyer Right? And YOUR calling us ? ROFLMAO. I would say thats like the pot calling the kettle black but I have more respect for pots then to lump them in with Lawyers. Does seem a bit over the top. It's not like we want to guillotine people for jaywalking. We just think that murderous predators should be exterminated. Seems perfectly reasonable to me; fair trial and all. Though I do feel there are too many obstacles to execution when even with a freely given confession it takes years to happen. Now if we wanted to put shoplifters in front of a firing squad, or summarily execute people we catch climbing out of the neighbor's house, that would be different. Then we would certainly qualify for the bloodthirsty part. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

(Guy in back room with abacus and opening the mail): Ah FUCK! " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Because the Fundy's are the ones trying to install their faith-based ignorance into the academic cirriculums at our schools. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I think they meant that in the grander scheme of things, not just relating it to Christianity - or other Abrahamic faith of choice. Religion, at it's roots and in it's beginnings (approx 8000 BC) was a combination of reverence for existing wisdom and a search for answers to unexplainable phenomena (like fire, eclipses, rainbows, floods, droughts, etc.). It is of course useless for those purposes nowadays; but old habits die hard. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley