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So you want to put the military in charge? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Prove it. Until you can document something, you're just repeating shit you've heard, and even that is probably not from a law enforcement officer. I've worked with or trained with officers from several countries, including the UK, and I'm telling you you're full of shit. An officer may choose to use hands instead of spray, usually because they can get away without anything other than the usual report. Spraying someone entails a great deal more bureaucratic nonsense for the same results. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

If by winning you mean littering, spreading disease, pissing off the general population, and getting arrested, then yes they are winning. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Not at all. I'm just trying to get you to understand how things actually work. That's exactly what happened. Except that the officers were far more professional that telling someone to "move their ass." Just about every police organization uses the following use of force continuum. * Officer presense Verbal commands OC spray Hands-on techniques TASER Baton Deadly force That goes from Tokyo to Berlin to London to NYC to LA. Some move TASER around a notch up or down. That's why the officers isseud commands. When those weren't followed, they gave warnings about imminent use of force. When those weren't heeded, they used OC spray. When that didn't work, they moved in and used hands-on. I think I saw one officer use a baton in a pry bar type moved to separate to protestors, but did not strike anyone. So you see, they used the minimum reasonable force, and because they had time, they moved up the scale one notch at a time. * - Some agencies have gone away from the continuum concept because they don't want people to think you have to hit every step up and down. They use a sphere or other exaqmple. The continuum doesn't have to hit every notch on the way up. For example, officers don't use pepper spray or hands on when facing a knife: they use deadly force. Or if they have back up and time, they may use verbal commands and a TASER, depending on circumstances. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nope, not angry, just frustrated that people complain without bothering to get all the information first. If a person doesn't care to educate themselves and instead just complains to like minded (and similarly ignorant) people, then they accomplish nothing. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It's pepper spray, not tear gas. Oleoresin Capsicum (that's the OC in OC Pepper Spray) is very different from 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile (the CS in Tear Gas). Again, educate yourself, please. You really need to work on your definition of "peaceful". It is not the same as nonviolent. editted to remove doubled parapraph witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It's almost tragic you've to ask that, but here's an option: The cop tells the protester to move his ass. If the protester refuses the cop warns him he will be arrested. If the protester refuses to move after that, he/she gets arrested. With as little as force possible. In civilized countries pepper-spray is usually only used against aggressive people, that pose a threat for the officer. Pepperspray isn't harmless and only an idiot would use it for no reason whatsoever. And clearly you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to law enforcement and legal use fo force. Tell you what: if you can find a use of force policy that places OC spray at a higher level than "hard hands" techniques, I'll give a damn what you have to say because as of right now, you're spewing pure grade A uninformed bullshit. Go ahead, find me an example of your "civilized country". I've no idea what Mobile Field Force Tactics are, but I'm rather sure you don't need them against a couple of kids sitting on the pavement doing nothing. Thank you yet again for proving you have no idea what you're talking about. Mobile Field Force is how officers across the nation are trained to respond to protests, riots, demonstrations, etc. Educate yourself, then rejoin the conversation. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Andy you're more knowledgable than that. His injuries are a result of his poor decision-making. He chose to commit a criminal offense. He chose to flee from officers. When caught, he chose to resist a lawful arrest. Officers used the force necessary to overcome resistance and complete the arrest. Unless you can show me video or reliable independant witnesses who say the officers pounded his head into the concrete or used of excessive force, I am not going to accept as fact the idea that officers intentionally caused that injury. It is possible, but with that many protestors and cameras and (miraculously) no footage of the area, it's doubtful. Look at pretty much any police department use of force policy. Pepper spray is lower than hands-on techniques. It is normal practice across the country to use chemical agents prior to hands-on with non-compliant suspects. It is safer for the suspect and for the officer. The college (folks that control the space) called in officers to remove subjects who were not abiding by the rules (call it blocking a right of way, trespass, disorderly, whatever). The college has the right to set the rules. The protestors didn't follwo the rules even after being given a deadline. So the campus admins called in police. The protestors were warned several times. If you think thet college was wrong to call in law enforcement, take it up with UC-Davis. Police are not going to decide which calls for service they answer or which laws they enforce. If you don't like the pepper spray option, what would you prefer the officers have done? (the officers were very professional, engaged the protestors verbally, warned them, and used limited force; also, it's clear they were trained in Mobile Field Force tactics and used those tactice effectively) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Marijuana, for Beatnicks and musicians! Cocaine, for wealthy whites. Saturday night specials, for white mobsters I see your point. No, you clearly don't see my point. There is clear evidence that many drug laws were racist. From wiki: witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There are accents everywhere, including within foreign countries. I don't mind that some people sound "wrong" to my ears, but don't expect me to hire you for anything important, including elected office. :::ahem::: You mean asking them to speak correctly? Or do you want them to sound conservative? I don't know many who always use proper English without sounding like a pretentious twat. Deal with it. If sounding trashy is their worst quality, are they really that bad? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

or so says the EU. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

While one can argue about what "Europe" is and whether eastern Europe really is Europe, or claim John's subject is poorly worded, the article specifies the EU. Serbia is not a member state. Being from the US and having spent time in the UK and elsewhere, I have to say that most of both are wonderful places where I don't worry for my safety. Comparing city to city, though, I've seen more violence in England than in the US, but I've seen more severe violence in the US. I don't have a hard time believing the UK has more violent crime but the US has worse violent crime. Neither has anything on Mexico, central American countries, or most other "knife cultures". witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'm far more interested in the assaults on officers, the intentional damage, charging at officers manning a barricade, theft of public property, resisting arrest, fighting in public, and carrying concealed razor blades. As to the loitering, since NYPD isn't snatching up every idiot in a mask, and this kid has already demonstrated that he's going to show his ass, I think its safe to say there was more to the arrest than just loitering in disguise. Side note: do you think the courts were wrong in KKK vs Kerik? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really? Those are actually soft balls. At least baseballs, hard rubber balls, and the like are relatively hard. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Actually, for once he's got a point. A number of original drug laws were basically racist laws, just like a lot of the earliest gun laws. Marijuana, for those lazy Mexicans. Opium, for those no good Chinese. Saturday night specials, for the blacks. etc, etc. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And here we have another wonderful example of selective editting. Your videographer must've studied at the Rodney King School of Video Fun. (except at that school they teach you to at least get actual excessive force on tape) http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/protester-brandon-watts-pitch-a-tent-zuccotti-park-bloody-face-day-action-article-1.979573 So tell me again about your peaceful protests. eta: I don't know what OP CameraNewbie is talking about, but I know skinnay is talking out of his ass. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Do you know who they are? Please share your definition, because I still haven't heard one. Like Voltaire said, “If you wish to converse with me, define your terms.” and as the common people say - if it waddles and quacks it's a duck... Non sequitur. We all know what a duck is. This is not a matter of calling a spade a spade. This is a matter of a term not adequately defined. We all know how a duck quacks and waddles. How does the 1% quack and waddle. HOW DO YOU DEFINE "the 1%" ? the 1% that own 40% of the wealth... Nationally? In Piscataway? Globally? Can you name them? Do they all share a certain profession? Your definitions really don't clear much up. Details, boy. The devil is in the details. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Do you know who they are? Please share your definition, because I still haven't heard one. Like Voltaire said, “If you wish to converse with me, define your terms.” and as the common people say - if it waddles and quacks it's a duck... Non sequitur. We all know what a duck is. This is not a matter of calling a spade a spade. This is a matter of a term not adequately defined. We all know how a duck quacks and waddles. How does the 1% quack and waddle. HOW DO YOU DEFINE "the 1%" ? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Do you know who they are? Please share your definition, because I still haven't heard one. Like Voltaire said, “If you wish to converse with me, define your terms.” witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It is a peacable assembly if it shuts down a port? It is a peacable assembly if it blocks others from using public places? It is a peacable assembly if it shuts down the subway? It is a peacable assembly if it invovles rapes, fights, and shootings? It is a peacable assembly if it invovles such disgusting conditions that it spreads disease and leaves filth strewn across the ground? It is a peacable assembly if it forces it's way into private places where it is not welcome? It is a peacable assembly if it refuses to leave a private place after warnings from owners and police? It is a peacable assembly if it throws things at police? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act_%28CFAA%29 It already is law. DOJ is just applying it in a way it was never intended, in a way the language does not support, and exceeding their authorized scope. But hey, it's the DOJ, so this is business as usual. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

DOJ: Lying on Match.com needs to be a crime witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nope.. and I restrict the access of those with their heads up their ass too. So yet again you support your own rights while not supporting those same rights for others. I guess you're happy making this a world where some animals are more equal than others. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, the US revolution actually accomplished something - so the OWS is a lot more comparable to the Tea Party. I was mostly just calling John on his usual BS (as of late). Your comparison is a whole lot closer. There hasn't been an election since the OWS began. I think we all know what OWS doesn't like. But see Wendy's most recent thread. What are their goals? What are their plans for getting there? Whom do they support? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Are you going to compare OWS to the Army of the American Revolution? Or are you throwing out a worthless point for no purpose other than to muddy the waters. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*