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Not exactly going to be a defining moment of his administration. Blah. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Oh, absolutely. Road-head is orders of magnitude better than teh same BJ at home. Don't ask me why (if you do I'll assume you've never given it a try). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yup, definitely two of the duller tools in the shed. Naw, that can't be it. You didn't blame the gun. It's gotta be the gun's fault. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

His point is that while pro-gun people acknowledge that a gun is a good option to have, we know it's not a panacea. However, anti-gun people tend to think that intelligence will get you through anything, so no one ever needs a gun. Just like 99% of skydivers know a cypres is not a reason to go low or fly stupid, 99% of gun owners know that having a gun is not a reason to get into avoidable dangerous situations. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Have you ever actually heard a pro-gun person state that a victim deserved what they got? I truly doubt that. Maybe you heard a person lamenting that if the victim had been armed, it might not have happened, but I think everyone here can see the difference between that a blaming the victim. I have, however, heard anti-gun people claiming intelligence was enough to keep them safe from crime. That sounds a lot like calling all crime victims stupid to me. The two most efective things for reducing crime in a given area are passing Right To Carry legislation and having people leave their exterior lights on at night. The other things you listed are also good ideas. (dogs were not included in any of the studies I've read or heard about) Hey! I'm a liberal, and I've been mugged! I wonder if some guy trying to grab your wallet counts as a mugging. It was definitely an attempted robbery... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

In 1998, there were 866 accidental firearm-related deaths, including 121 among children (those numbers are dropping every year, up to and including 2004). There were 776 accidental gun deaths in 2000. That's hardly a national epidemic. Apparently, gun owners are doing a very good job as things are. If you really want to worry, worry about pools, poison, and cars. They kill a lot more kids every year than firearms accidents. (all those double digit numbers for kids dying every day? those come from including people up to 19, or in one case up to age 24 as children, and they count homicides, suicides, and police and self defense shootings) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I posted those webiste because they have text of scientific studies. Check them out before you discard them. They're not some random thoughts of an idiot with word processor. They are studies done at universities and/or with governmet funding. That doesn't automatically make them right, but it does make them at least worth considering, doesn't it? I don't expect to change your views on personal safety, I just wanted to make two points: (1) They are not the only valid views. I'm not trying to force my views of how to conduct self defense on you, I just don't want you to force yours on me without considering the bigger picture, or the harm they could create. Not everyone is in your position, afterall. (2) Armed self defense does happen, and it is not a rare occurance. (there are also studies out there using FBI information about the safest course of action during a crime, but we'll leave that for another day) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Most of it is sociological stuff that is way over my head, but I've had a few ideas (some practical, some jsut strange ramblings). First, I like the idea of combining prosecutions for violent and contact-crime felonies. (like Project exile, where certain gun crimes are prosecuted on the state and federal level) I also like the idea of locking up vilent offenders for a very long time. I'm also a fan of making prisons uncomfortable places. Let's make it clear that you really don't want to be there. I wish there were a workable form or rehab for cons and ex-cons, but I don't know of one. Somethings work for some types of cons, but we need to be more discriminating on who we let in - do that and rehab success rates would rise. ----- Then there is the whole culture that encourages crime. Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do about that other than not support it. There is a disturbing book out recently, called White Liberals and Black Rednecks. It is sensationalized, and it goes over-the-top with its rhetoric, but it does make a very good point underneath all that. ----- Then there is the lack of personal responsibility and the idea that "I am entitled to everyting" that needs to be corrected. Vast school and government-run social support reform would have to happen first, and lord knows they would fight that. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

At the risk of my guy card, I have to say you're right on all counts. Honestly, I'm surprised at the women's answers. Every girl I've ever done the deed with asked for it at some point, and either enjoyed it immensely or is a very good faker/liar. edit: they always asked for more, if that tells you anything. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There is a problem with crime in this country. I'll be the first to stand up and say so. What that has to do with a gun rights vs gun control debate I still don't understand. Do you think those murders and crimes committed with firearms would simply not happen if firearms were made illegal? (A) There would still be a black market to supply guns to criminals, so gun murders would still happen (B) Substitution would occur, where gun murders would decrease but murder by other means would increase. - Is it better to be killed by something other than a gun? (C) Contact crime numbers would explode, because criminals would no longer fear guns being pulled on them by victims. Mmmm hmm....I don't fully buy that http://www.saf.org/journal/11Kleck.pdf#search='defensive%20gun%20uses' http://www.gunsandcrime.org/dgufreq.html http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html There have been fourteen studies done specifically to guage this number. The highest quality study was done by Keleck and Gertz in 1995. Why is your personal experience more valuable than nationwide statistics when discussing national policy? Less than 4% of the entire population are victims of crim each year here in the USA. You;ve managed to stay in the 96% majority. Should we discount crime because it hasn't happened to you? No? Then why should we discount armed self defense just because you are not involved in it? Murder is a problem. It's wrong that innocents, or anyone else is murdered (though you should remember that most murders are felon on felon). Do you think it is more acceptable if someone is killed with something other than a gun? If not, focus on teh murder, not the gun. If you do... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

If you read the decision, they did not "overthrow" a federal ban, they merely decided it did not apply to the man in question. Also, appointments to the Supreme Court are always important to the future. Imagine how different it would be if people who believed the constitution to be a restraing document, rather than a starting point, were given the black robes. Or you can hope for judges who believe however you do and be happy when they make their decision and then use te law to rationalize it. Just realize that if you get judges who decide based on their ideals, rather than the law, you may get justices who don't share your ideals. yeah, I saw the humor, I just didn't think it was that funny witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

why is he a dork? doesn't he have just as much say so as a woman over what does or does not happen to his body? what a shitty double standard you're perpetuating. I suppose the idea of reversing the roles to check fr double standard never occured to him. I'll do it for him. Squeek's idea of consent: A woman shouldn't mind bing woken up by a man performing sexual acts. Afterall, who doesn't enjoy them? Or maybe he doesn't think "what's good for the goose is good for the gander." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

[Laugh] That's so true! The difference is that my soundbytes are compressed truths, while theirs truly are nothing more than short, sensational, emotional appeals. (not to mention the outright lies that are so common...) Do you blame cars for deaths from auto accidents? The problem is not the object, it's the way some people use it. What would you like to do, make it illegal twice? Somehow breaking the law against murder doesn't bother him, but a second law against guns will stop him in his tracks? Come on. That's worked everywhere it's been tried. Look into "Project Exile." Well, opinions are like assholes, and don't let the facts get in your way. Gee, there are only two to three millions crimes stopped because of guns every year. Should I find links to news stories from the last few days where people have used firearms to defend themselves in or around their homes? Or would facts be inconvenient to your decision making process concerning guns? The last time that point was brought up in a debate, the gun-banner's response was to shriek "Get a new hobby!" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Perfect for the militia! As your boy could surely tell you, some very intelligent people become amazingly incompetant with issued equipment. Of course, if we're talking personally owned tools and weapons (as was intended for the US militia), likelihood of proficiency is much, much greater. Professor, you do understand what I'm saying when I talk about the differences between a miltia and a guerrilla or insurgent force, right? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I guess you can make this shit up. Read post # 8. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You are once again confusing a militia with a guerilla or insurgent force. Besides, RPGs are far superior for reistance groups than stingers. Lower tech, lower cost, lots more available, any idiot can use them, etc. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You want to face seven jackals intent on murder with a cool head and your brain, go for it. It'll take a firearms and my lower brain functions. I think I'll fare better than you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And it's somehow better to die by any method other than firearms? What point does that soundbyte make, other than stating the obvious? Bill, if you are going into a fight, what is the most effective weapon you could bring? It is insulting that you consider me no different from gun-controllers. Do I need to remind you that the ATF never had to hold a press conference to clarify statistics (and show that my numbers didn't mean what I claim), as they have with Brady/VPC claims? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And "Facist America" is more useful? Look at your source, . witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You wrote: then: Three men in two of the biggest cities in the country? That constitutes "every Joe in the street?" With numbers that small, it could just be that you saw three police officers who were off duty. Even in the most pro-gun state, I'm fairly sure that concealed carry licenses numbers don't pass four or five percent of the total elligible population. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Let me enlighten you as to a common practice of smugglers, particularly in the far east (docks and to a lesser extent airports). Very often, workers will make small "additions" to bulk shipments and have their counterparts pick them up before delivery. It is entirely possible that people are unaware that they are being used to facilitate smuggling. One reason why a fair trial is so important, wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you be pissed if you were punished (damned severely, too) because someone put two kilos of coke in your rig when you flew to Thailand? (feel free to substitute another country with life sentences or the death penalty for drug smuggling) It also could be that the guy is guilty of shipping guns to Okinowa. Do you want a citizen's rights denied based on foreign courts' actions? Remember things that we consider petty here can get you beaten, executed, or tossed into a pit for eternity in other countries. On a less colorful note, the idea of a fair trial is not exactly universal, either. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The difference is that mine have a basis in reality. - There is nothing different about "assault weapons." - Moly coated bullets do not penetrate ballistics vests differently than non-coated bullets. Armor piercing rounds are constructed of different metals and cores, not with simple exterior coatings. - Places where carrying guns is illegal make wonderful places for criminals to work because all law abiding people are disarmed, while the criminal is not. (he is, afterall, breaking far more important laws than illegal carry) Have you got a gun-control sound byte I can't easily destroy, or a gun-rights one that I can't mark as true? Have you got a gun-rights sound byte you can disprove, or a gun control sound byte you can show is true? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't know. I didn't see anything clear in the statutes, so I imagine it would be case law, and (I'm only guessing but) in Arizona it is probably legal but not done. It probably comes down to private policy, rather than law. (owners hate adding more liabilty to a bar) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, a veto override is unlikely, so I expect it'll be back and more likely to pass next year. Napolitano is one of those politicians who wears blaze orange as camoflage. "I beleive in the Second Amendment (I just don't believe it does anything)." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

A picture is worth a thousand words, eh? Really, they understand that the possibilty of them being armed scares criminals, but they want to ban gusn and announce to crimianls that no one else has a gun... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*