catfishhunter

First I didn't say they where illegal. If Sangiro had a Trademark in the USA and these people where in the USA then yes it would be illegal. Not sure Canada's Stand on protecting USA Trademark and Copyrights but changing the .com to .bum or .slut or WTFever you want doesn't allow you to steal a Logo. try making a shirt with the Nike Swoosh and Changing the name to Nikee.you'll have lawyers up your ass so far so fast you'll never have seen them coming.. I am not a lawyer so one can go find the Copyright and Trademark Laws themselves but I have friends that just when through some shit because they "parodied" Chem Dry who has been trying to destroy them over some bullshit. they made Chem Who? KMA bumber stickers and Shirts. Well obviouly Chem Who is not their name and the KMA well we knwo what that means but the Colors and LOGO where the same. Guess what because it was the same even though the name was changed and some jackass sold them instead of giving them away they got served. Destroying the product and templates kept them out of court and out of paying a huge punitive sum of cash. So is it illegal well that would be for a Judge to decide but as I said if they are paying HH then all is well if not someone in Toronto kick those guys in the nuts... I like the fact this site is free for me and The money HH gets for his BRAND (which is what brings advertisers in) is what keeps it that way for me. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

The people selling those know exactly what they are doing. They didn't just COME up with the logo. Again Maybe Sangiro is making a buck off it if not then a beat down should take place in Toronto. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

The Logo in the upper left hand corner of this site isn't his logo? News to me. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

If they are paying Sangiro for using his Logo then Hell I'll buy one but something tells me there not. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Dropzone-LONG-T-Skydiving-Skydive-Freefly-AllAxis_W0QQitemZ220179466729QQihZ012QQcategoryZ106980QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I ran a search to see if this was mentioned and nothing came up. Just saw these. Anyone know these guys. Wonder if they are paying Sangiro if not then they are theifs and you Canadians out to go find them and beat them MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

I want someone to buy my Sabre2 210 I have listed in the Classifieds so I can order a New Sabre2 190 MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

I sure hope the USPA Lawyers or anyone on the BOD for that matter, has proposed dismantling the GM Program under it's current form and then starting a NEW program which would require each DZ to re-submit. Based on previous acts they could then refuse to allow the afore mentioned DZ's in. Now I know people want it gone all together but if it isn't going to go away then it should be shut down in it's current form and something else should take it's place MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Nah mine was better. Made 21 Jumps with Doug Forth and Todd Hawkins at their Arizona Ace Sequential Camp. Two Days of 22 ways and 2 Days of 14 ways. Was suppossed to be 20/40 ways but thats ok the jumps rocked made some great friends and learned TONS! So while your's sounded interesting, My "Aces" Trump your's MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

HUH? What sort of math do they teach where you live? The year is 2007 and 92 was..... 15 years ago... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Blue Skies....I hope your beliefs proved true when you crossed over. They sounded pretty cool..Don't spend to long in that Garden though the world could use you back here ASAP

I notice that the Perris regulars including the Mods haven't chimed in on this thread. You guys gonna gonna have a talk with Melanie? They seem like great people so i'm really surpised and saddened to hear they take skyride. I really enjoyed the time I had out there but doubt I will go back as long as they do buisness with them and I am sure they could care less if I come back or not but you guys that are there all the time should have some pull. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

HUH? You spoke round in circles and trying to make a point but ended up making the same point your agruing against. Who said that? Only part of being a proffessional that had any bearing on this was the fact he knows how to assemble a team. Plan the stunt practice the stunt then perform the stunt. Being a proffessional does give one an advatange in being able to accomplish such a stunt but WTF did your drivig a car through a wall anolgoy have to do with anything? Seems like you wanted to point out your a member of SAG and sound all important like and to argue for the sake of arguing and all you did is talk in cricles and prove what myself and others have been saying all along. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

I have 3 chops and never did it cross my mind to only pull them out a little way I have no Idea where he came up with his statement but you might not want to be listening to anything the kid has to say. Get into a hanging harness and pratice. Look, Grab, Peel PUNCH! repeat... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

umm he was the dock'e. Did you read the story? Plamer docked on him. His Job was get out get stable. Haven't seen the Video or read what Timmy's Job was but sure it had to be a Back Up plan of sorts. I only know Plamer as being a TI and Tunnel coach not sure if he has his AFFI. So he went out and got some of the best guys in the world. Went and made a bunch of Traning jumps to make sure it would work then went and did it for real. Sounds pretty proffessional. Travis having an AFF rating wouldn't make a lick of difference being he was the Target for Plamer. Bill please go read how the whole thing went down. I think you got somthings mixed up MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Sigh...I never agreed with nor wil I ever agree that jumping a wingsuit with 100 jumps is OK. What others said has nothing to do with me nor this thread. And thats my point. Travis does have the experiance AND training for this stunt. If you can't get stable and hold still in 250 jumps and 100 basejumps he would have been dead a long time ago and I guess you still haven't read the part that they trained for this jump with rigs before ever trying it sans rig. I trust what you have to say on nearly everything you have said about jumping out of airplanes but your logic or lack thereof on this particular stunt has me scratching my head. It's like the Captain who is going to go down with the ship no matter what when all he would have to do is step off into the life boat MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

ummmm something to hump? I hope not everyone shares what something they decided to hump MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Thats Fucked up.Need to send some of those super secret black ops guys on a few seek and destroy missions to SA. When their buddies start ending up gutted on the side of the roads they just might stop this shit MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Awww come on Bill your way more intelligent then that. Jump numbers where and are an issue with race. there are standards for wingsuit flying and he wasn't close to any of them. There are NO STANDARDS for this STUNT except being able to get stable and hold still and 250 skydives and 100 base jumps and MANY practice Jumps with rig. and having 3 world Class(2 World record Holders) on the jump with him made him more the qualified to make this jump. Jump numbers have NOTHING to do with this and if you step back away from your feelings on Race going in and look at this for what it is you will see it for what it is. A very well planned and executed STUNT. My only issues is the jump number arguements. BSR's, Far's etc is up to the Authority's and if they get busted and it is proved they did something wrong then all involved should accept the outcome. But jump numbers do not play a part in this. This is not the place to beat that drum but that doesn't mean I don't think that drum shouldn't be beaten. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Apples and Oranges. Race was not a Proffessional Stuntman. And that is my point your using the same Logic you used in his death and that logic is flawed when applied to this STUNT. Flying a wingsuit at 100 jumps and a handful of base jumps or extensivly planning and and practicing a stunt with VERY qualified people and a proffessional stunman with 250 skydives and 100 base jumps are NOT the same and you CANNOT use the same logic. And that is where your arguement loses credibillity. I do understand the jump number issue but it does not apply here and trying to pound your square peg into a round hole just doesn't work. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

That I knew but were you there? Did you know there was NO wind that day. NONE NADA ZIP except for that gust that brought them out of the sky. Thats what I meant. They had been flying that pattern for a very long time (they no longer land in that area). So no I still don't know why on that day 1 died and one lived and many other peoples lives changed other then it was god's Will. A gear failure is a reason, hooking yourself in is a reason a rougue gust of wind....it's the you can do everything right and still die thing... so if you want to get picky yeah I know what the report said but no I don't know why it happened and and since no one can be sure why they removed the possibillity of it ever having a chance to repeat itself. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

What does that have to do with this thread? And why are you seeing SO MANY people die? That should be more disturbing then this STUNT. My home DZ hsa only had 1 fatallity in 15 years and that was a Tandem that to this day I haven't heard of any answer that explains why and doubt it can be explained other then it was God's Will(and yes i was there) So why are so mamy people ending up dead around you? Do you think maybe you should be worried about the people ending up dead around you and stop worrying about proffessional stuntmen who plan and execute out of the ordinary stunts? MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

No I get it. And I hope one day you do to and get help but the first step is admitting you have a problem you can overcome it. Seriously do you really think this STUNT is the right place for the jump numbers debate? If you really believe that then stick to your guns but for me those that choose to beat that drum truly loose credibility with me. Sounds more like wanting to hear ones self Proclaim their superior intelligence and all that disagree are to be damned to eternal hell fire... it's only skydiving and this was only A PROFESSIONAL STUNT and the two are NOT the same like it or not. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

So if it took him years to get to 200 then you'd sing a different tune? What is your post about? It took you forever to get to where you are and some yahoo famous stunt guy with more talent and success then you will ever hope to have goes and perfoms a KICK ASS stunt and now your mad? WTF does that have to do with anyting I said? I wouldn't and didn't advise anyone so you got things mixed up bro. Oh and Gucci attitude LMFAO@U Bro gucci is as far away from my attitude as you can get. I'm as Blue collar as they get. You need to pick another battle for your soap box the Preaching on THIS PARTICULAR STUNT and referencing jump numbers does loose credibillity because jump numbers don't have a thing to do with this STUNT My Suggestion is first back up and figure out just what makes you mad about this then post. If he broke the law then all should accept the outcome but YOU do not get to decide that and it takes nothing away from this being a Kick Ass stunt performed by some Kick Ass folks. Other wise as you said STFU MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Ummm wasn't it just a couple years ago that 200 jumps got you a D License and meant you was an expert? Wasn't 200 a pretty big deal? 250 jumps is quite a lot or have you all forgotten that? I think some of you have got on this jump number kit because you where so vocal about jump numbers in the incident threads and now you HAVE to tow the line. Well 250 jumps is NOT 100 and 250 jumps for a proffessional stuntman with over 100 base jumps is well A FRIGGEN LOT. Beat a different horse guys your losing credibillty MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

WOW this thread has gotten crazy. I'll add my 2 bits. Did anyone see who made the jump with him? MX on Video Scott (Plamer) Palmer and Timmy McMasters. I know Plamer and Timmy. Plamer was on the Head Down World record (does that mean he has skillz?) Timmy would have been and should have been on the world record but F'd himself up wrestling with a buddy Plamer has taken numerous family members of mine on Tandems and Timmy well Timmy has been a natural since day one and is a incredible tunnel flyer/coach and to this day his docking on my back in a sit/stand then surfing me (we had a couple hundred jumps each at the time) is still one of my all time fav jumps. Travis did not have rookies with him. The crew that was with him where not only capable they where extraordinary and I would put my life in their hands ANY DAY. This was a Stunt that KICKED ASS. It was well planned and well trained for and frankly alot less dangerous with alot more margin for error then a Double Backflip Hell it's just skydiving.. Relax... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.