catfishhunter

Imbecile? Dunno never met you, but I wouldn't call you the smartest cookie in the jar. If you have a pilot that is allowing you to base jump from an aircraft in the US of A then he isn't to brillant either and would questions his decision making abillities. Now to play devils advocate 20 years ago I would have been all about breaking the law just for the rush of doing it but having survived my 20's without being killed or sent to prison for the rest of my life with 90% of the people I ran with I have a different outlook on the Law. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

HUH? Andy started this thread because of something I said in the incident thread that billy deleted. Andy was there/part of crew that where base jumping from the aircraft. He is calling me and others whuffos because we/myself won't give him/them a pass on breaking the law which resulted in a fatallity. So yes Andy is the center of this thread. He wants to say it is ok top break the law because other people have. Well no it doesn't make it ok. Have I broke the Law? Well yes it is a matter of public record. Was there others that I was not convicted of? Yes that is public record as well. Where there other laws I broke that I was never caught? Well that is not public record and it will stay that way. But again none of that has a thing to do with this. You can scream and yell and jump up and down and call names all you want but it won't change anything. It is black and white. You KNOWINGLY broke the Law and someone died. There was no way he could have done it alone therefore everyone involved is culpable. Again Andy I am sorry for your loss and if I had the power turn back Time I would. I am not holding anything your have said against you but at that same time your not getting a pass because you feel bad. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Did you punch him in the nose? I am sure it wouldn't take to many knuckleheads walking around looking like rudolph to get the point across MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

We are not talking about me now are we...This was about how to avoid an incident in the future not about well he did or she did but WHAT YOU (meaning those involved in the incident) DID. There is nothing else relevant PERIOD. Stop trying to shift it. Now to adress what you said. If I ever delibertly

You still don't get it.....I am sorry about your friend and I am sorry you feel bad. I don't wish that on anyone but feeling bad doesn't change facts. Your guys broke the law and your friend paid for it with his life and the pilot could/will pay for it with his livelyhood. This isn't about going in. No one wants anyone to go in. It is about breaking the law FAR's are Laws and as has been stated they where written in blood. So instead of blame shifting and excuese how about facing this head on and teacvhing folks that the FAR's really are there for a DAMN good reason and it is a BAD Idea to play russian roullete with them MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Depends on who's in the landing pattern with me. Aint' that the truth! Is that idiot that about took our wives out still jumping? MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Andy, my post in the incidents that Billy deleted was not personal. It was talking directly to the incident and how to AVOID it in the future. I by no means wish ill of you or anyone that was there but I will not be one of the folks saying "Ohhh poor you it's ok it isn't your fault. There was nothing you could have done. blah bla blah" Yes there was something you could have done and to say it wouldn't have made a difference is bull shit as no one tried so there is no way to know. Maybe he would have called it off or put a skydive rig on and exited and deployed at appropriate altitudes. OR Maybe if you told the pilot he would most defiantly lose his abillity to support his family if shit went6 sideways HE wouldn't have let him on. Now if that is picking on you sorry bro put your big girl panties on this isn't tiddly winks... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

silly silly silly.... NOBODY except one person knows when the world will end and it dang sure aint some fruity evolution minded scientist nit wit, nor some extinct indian tribe... I am so suprised this thread hasn't been moved to SC yet.... This has quite possibly be the craziest crap I have ever read (entire thread).... Just to be clear I DIDN'T write that. Just thought it interesting I think we are way to arrogant to think we can harm the earth. The earth will take care of it's self and shake us off when it gets tired of us just as all the other civilazations that annoyed it. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

My Name Bug Brain My Crew Satan's Barbers MC My Wife is Momma of the Donkey Punchers MC MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Lucky your ok unless it is going to take you 4 years to complete AFF. The end of the world will be 4 years from now (thats the reference to the Mayan 2012 prophecy) MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Meet Evans the Atom, who will end the world on Wednesday By Jonathan Petre The man behind the world’s biggest scientific experiment, which critics claim could cause the end of the world, is a Welsh miner’s son who has admitted blowing things up as a child. Dr Lyn Evans, who has been dubbed Evans the Atom, will this week switch on a giant particle accelerator designed to unlock the secrets of the Big Bang. But the 63-year-old physicist revealed yesterday that his passion for science was fuelled by the relatively small bangs he had created with his chemistry set at his council house in Aberdare in the Welsh valleys. Inspired: 'Evans the Atom' at school in Wales in 1962 ‘I was more interested in chemistry than physics when I was young,’ he said. ‘I had a number of chemistry sets. Like everybody, I used to make explosives. I even blew the fuses of the whole house a few times.’ His interest in physics grew at his boys-only grammar school, where lessons had an added attraction because they were attended by girls bussed in from a nearby school that lacked a physics teacher. On Wednesday, Dr Evans will fire up the Large Hadron Collider, a 17-mile-long doughnut-shaped tunnel that will smash sub-atomic particles together at nearly the speed of light. Built by the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN), the collider lies beneath the French-Swiss border, near the institution’s headquarters in Geneva, at depths ranging from 170ft to 600ft. The aim of the £4.4billion experiment is to recreate the conditions that existed a fraction of a second after the Big Bang – the birth of the universe – and provide vital clues to the building blocks of life. It will track the spray of particles thrown out by collisions in a search for the elusive Higgs Boson, a theoretical entity that supposedly lends weight, or mass, to the elementary particles. So important is this mysterious substance that it has been called the ‘God Particle’. Scientists also hope to shed some light on the invisible material that exists between particles – dubbed ‘dark matter’ as no one knows what it really is – which makes up most of the universe. Relaxed: Dr Evans - in his shorts at the CERN control centre in Geneva - dismisses the fears of doom-mongers But a handful of scientists believe that the experiment could create a shower of unstable black holes that could ‘eat’ the planet from within, and they are launching last-ditch efforts to halt it in the courts. One of them, Professor Otto Rossler, a retired German chemist, said he feared the experiment may create a devastating quasar – a mass of energy fuelled by black holes – inside the Earth. ‘Nothing will happen for at least four years,’ he said. ‘Then someone will spot a light ray coming out of the Indian Ocean during the night and no one will be able to explain it. ‘A few weeks later, we will see a similar beam of particles coming out of the soil on the other side of the planet. Then we will know there is a little quasar inside the planet.’ Prof Rossler said that as the spinning-top-like quasar devoured the world from within, the two jets emanating from it would grow and catastrophes such as earthquakes and tsunamis would occur at the points they emerged from the Earth.‘The weather will change completely, wiping out life, and very soon the whole planet will be eaten in a magnificent scenario – if you could watch it from the moon. A Biblical Armageddon. Even cloud and fire will form, as it says in the Bible.’ He said that attempts were still being made in the European Court of Human Rights to halt the experiment on the grounds that it violated the right to life. The court has, however, already rejected calls for a temporary delay in the project, and it is unlikely to come to a speedy decision about whether the CERN experiment should be halted for good. Meanwhile Dr Walter Wagner, an American scientist who has been warning about the dangers of particle accelerators for 20 years, is awaiting a ruling on a lawsuit he filed a fortnight ago in his home state of Hawaii. He fears the experiments might unwittingly create something he calls a ‘strangelet’ that could result in a fusion reaction that might ultimately turn the Earth into a supernova, or an exploding star. But Dr Evans, the leader of the project, who has devoted 14 years of his life to building the vast particle accelerator, is dismissive of the doom-mongers. In fact, he is so relaxed about the project, he even wears shorts to work. He said that Prof Rossler was a ‘crazy’ retired professor who had invented his own theory of relativity. ‘We have shown him where his elementary errors are, but of course people like that just will not listen,’ said Dr Evans. Meanwhile, Dr Wagner’s fears were ‘totally and completely’ unfounded. ‘There are thousands of scientists around the world who have been preparing this machine and they know what they are talking about, unlike these guys,’ he added. Dr Evans says his real nightmare is not that he will destroy the world but that, with the cameras rolling, the machine will break down. ‘This is not the first accelerator I have commissioned, but the first under the glare of the whole world,’ he said. ‘My main worry is that we’ve got a huge amount of equipment and it is new. If something trips off, we are down for hours and we have all these Press people sitting around. ‘We are not used to that. We are used to setting things up quietly and announcing it afterwards.’ The Mayan Prophecy of 2012? MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Oh the camp wouldn't affect you. They gots lots of planes. :) MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Eloy. There is also the Airspeed 4way skills Camp. "We are extremely please to announce the dates for the famous Airspeed 4 Way Skills Camp: November 18 - 22nd 2008 March 10 - 14th 2009 We have been running these camps for many years and the use of the tunnel in the Skills Camps have elevated the experience of campers. We also have made some changes to the camp, our main focus has been making the food better." Email Todd Hawkins todd AT airspeed.org if you might be interested. I went last year and had a blast and will be attending one of the two listed just not sure which one. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

I can tell you that if I told my packers that I am not going to use them anymore because I was called a fat lazy american they will come looking for you. You want honest answers here you go. I have BAD knees, back, neck. 2 Pack Jobs and I would be done for the Day. I can afford to pay a packer. Everyone is always telling new people that can't afford to jump to learn to pack and earn money to jump that way. Well if there where not people like me to pack for then those people would be screwed. I am doing my part to keep the economy growing by supporting the independant buisness owner. What a packer really is. Lastly I pay WELL (equals close to $45hr) and I expect exceptional service from my packers. I don't even pay myself that kind of money so my packers are grateful I don't pack and I highly doubt they want me to start packing. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Andy believeit or not my heart goes out to you. I would never ever wish what your going through on anyone. i am truly sorry if I have seemed un caring. I was not aznd am not trying to alienate you or make it worse but and a BIG BUT just because someone's feelings will get hurt, it doesn't make it ok to not call a spade a spade. it is natural to want to defend a decision even look for excuses and even more so when something like this happens. it is how we cope but i do not think it helps the healing process. Facing it head on will hurt more but in the long run it will hurt less. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

HUH? Your on a skydiving website and calling skydivers whuffos becasue you precieve someone as having an issue with BASE? WTF does that mean? LMAO umm incase you missed the first part this is a Skydiving website. Skydiving and BASE Jumping are not the same matter of fact you have a BASE Jumper.com so how can a Skydiver be a whuffo on dropzone.com when it comes to base? Now if a skydiver went to basejumper.com... Oh and Andy i do not have a problem with BASE Jumping. No issues what so ever. BASE jumping is from fixed objects you jump out of an Airplane it is a SKYDIVE. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

You attempted to circumvent the check pint. Strike one You lied about havig a weapon Strike two You gave them permission to search your car. Your OUT. You can get your knife back and should but next time THINK. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Go to your DZ and ask your instructor about in air rigging. Me, I have a very good rigger and I think I will leave the rigging to him and go to my reserve as my only option. Now if that shit happened on my reserve then I better get to cuttin' MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Why in the world would you leave your gun in the car????? MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Let us know what your malfunction was on monday I learnt my lesson messin' with the malfunction gremlins. Better to keep your mouth shut then bring attention to yourself

Oh it didn't go away. It's just hiding until the time is right MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Why? With the posters number of jumps they should be good with anyting over 3.5k 1k to terminal and opening at 2.5. Now 6-7k would be a nice bonus but I have got out at 4.5 and 5.5 and even got lucky and went last and got out at 9.5 :D I made it back each time. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Who are you and what have you done with JP? Just kidding..Very nice post

LOL I get it and I actually think you get it to. Your delivery sucked but reading between the lines and your other posts you are going about it kinda the right way. You plan on making 150-200 jumps this year right? Well if your planning on wingsuits and basejumps make 1/2-3/4 of those jumps tracking jumps.A good track is a life saving skill no matter what your doing As for base jumps lots of folks only made enough skydives to learn canopy control for base jumping and lots of those folks are still alive so as long as you get a good mentor to work with you on basejumps go for it. Freeflying hell as long as your alone in the sky do whatever you want until pull time. If you plan to jump with others though get a coach and jump jump jump. Leave the swooping alone for awhile though. You won't be able to do the other stuff in a body cast. (You can Base Jump if you can't walk though. Seeing Pictures and Video) So hell I say go for it do it all if your bank account can afford it just don't be selfish and fuck up everyone elses fun by bouncing. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

Wow that really surprised me to. I voted already but I think someone really needs to make an apology to the other person looking for votes for their Kid. Funny thing how everything we say on the net can come back on us.. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.