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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=168311405 Old news. Owned by Remi #?

Well.. wherever you go, be sure to ask for the sock puppet discount. Owned by Remi #?

Today's new word is "variable" Owned by Remi #?

Ironic? Nope. The government is actively engaged in the climate change discussion already. Petitions have a life span on the site as well, so there may have been other petitions that asked for specific things WRT the environment that have timed out. Owned by Remi #?

I've been an organ donor since the option became available... I"m not even sure when that was. Owned by Remi #?

I agree that there is a difference in intent between the 2 groups. I never tried to argue that. You said: "It's very hard to have any respect for anyone/thing who hides behind a "name" such as Anonymous." And I asked you how an anonymous collective using the name "Anonymous" was hiding anything behind a name. Hell, they're telling you exactly who they are right in their name... that's the point. They're hiding who they are, but that's not hiding behind a name. It's just hiding. If they were a bunch of people remaining anonymous and using the name "The group of people with a public list of our personal information" That would be hiding behind a name Owned by Remi #?

I totally agree with that. What I meant was that the government isn't involved in trying to harm them or deny their rights. How do you propose that the government protect them from Anon? Should they pass laws making what some of the stuff Anon does illegal? They've already done that. Should they prosecute when they identify and catch someone? They already do that. Should they turn off the Internet? I've never seen anything here that approaches a fraction of a percentage of the vileness that WBC preaches. The WBC has been in the periphery of my life for a very, very long time and they've been doing sick, twisted, mean stuff that entire time. I don't generally approve of this sort of action that Anon is taking. This is a special case. I've had a lot of personal interaction with WBC members. Owned by Remi #?

You didn't ask me this question but I'd like to give my opinion about the topic. I'm 100% in favor of both amendments and I believe that WBC deserves the full protection of the law. I believe in their right to protest. I also believe that now that they've pissed off some folks who aren't that picky about laws, I'm not going to feel the least bit of sympathy for them. It's not a first amendment issue. The government isn't involved. One of the WBCs primary tactics is to enrage people to the point that someone actually assaults them. They then litigate for damages. I think that it's fucking hilarious and they can't sue Anonymous and they really can't do much more than go off grid, close up their bank accounts, get new SSNs, etc. until Anon backs off. Owned by Remi #?

I guess not. And I don't think that there's anything wrong at all about that dislike. They've done good and bad. I'm absolutely thrilled that they've made this an op and I hope that they can stay cohesive long enough to have a real impact. WBC is a special breed of hate and greed that far surpasses many others. The problem is that they don't break laws and the law can't pursue them. Law abiding people can't stop them. I hope they're scared as shit right now. Owned by Remi #?

4 people in a Cessna back in the day probably had no problem. 15 people in an aircraft that acts like a brick with its engine out might have reason to be more nervous at 1000 feet today. An initial problem at 1000' isn't a big deal if you're sitting by the door on a Caravan and bailing is the best approved option. If you're up in front with tandems in the back, it's probably not going to be a good day. Owned by Remi #?

It's also an awesome story about never giving up. Thanks for sharing. It's clear that it was a hard thing for you to say. Owned by Remi #?

You expressed disdain for a group because they call themselves Anonymous. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think that a group that's founded on the principal of anonymity is wrong to call themselves Anonymous. Edit to add: That was my purpose in mentioning AA. They are also founded on the principle of anonymity. I didn't question motives or mention threats, you did. Another edit because I'm seriously curious. There's a group called The Patriot Guard Riders who frequently threaten to disrupt WBC pickets. Sometimes they don't even need to actually show up because WBC sees the threat as very real and stays away. I LOVE those guys. I love what they do, but ultimately they are getting their way by means of threat. They call themselves Patriot Guard Riders because they are bikers who have a desire to guard patriots and their family members from harm. Is that very much different from an anonymous collective who calls themselves Anonymous threatening to disrupt the activities of WBC? Want to see how many Patriot Guard Riders have expressed a desire to have a WBC member step across a line so that they can give them a good beating? Google won't take long. What's your problem with the name Anonymous again? Owned by Remi #?

I don't know it. Explain how? The entire idea is based on what a group can do as a collection of anonymous participants. Why is using the name "Anonymous" to describe an anonymous collective "hiding"? Owned by Remi #?

Well... when the fundamental purpose of membership and underlying philosophy of a group is that everyone involved with it is anonymous and anyone can participate anonymously and independently... what's so wrong with calling it "Anonymous"? Do you also have issues with Alcoholics Anonymous? Owned by Remi #?

I think I can answer a little bit of this. There are a lot of people who understand that humans can act with compassion and also act with cruelty and selfishness. There are a significant number of people who don't realize that animals like dogs can also act with compassion. It's not a matter of knowing that both species can do either. It's that they don't realize anything other than a human can rise above self interest. That's why the video of the dog saving another dog is popular. The video of the child being run over? I didn't watch it. That kind of thing has been 'popular' with a subset of people for a long time. Is rotten.com still around? Some people get drawn into transferring their anger about personal issues by immersing themselves in evidence that the entire world is a cruel, horrible, selfish, horrible place. Owned by Remi #?

Below, a point of view that I agree with... and I've been both horrified by WBCs actions for a very long time and in total agreement with their right to free speech. Thing is, there's a line that they've finally crossed that's going to bring some slap-down on them from a source that they can't sue. Hard to criticize Anonymous for targeting Westboro Baptist Church Owned by Remi #?

Well done, Chris. Welcome to the sky. Owned by Remi #?

They may have just pissed off the wrong people: Anonymous targets WBC Owned by Remi #?

That's a tad mean and ignorant. I don't agree with her position but she's been *consistent* on her position for 20 years or so. She isn't stupid, I have no doubt that she knows what an assault weapon is and she's driving that band wagon, not riding on it. Owned by Remi #?

Caravan engine out at about 4500. The pilot gave permission for anyone who wanted to to leave, but was okay with anyone wanting to glide back with him. Everyone got out Owned by Remi #?

CNN's reporting 10 children and 8 adults Owned by Remi #?

You've pretty much reaching the salient point in that it doesn't really matter how many jumps are on a main compared to its condition. It matters what the condition of the main is. Something with 500 jumps that has been neglected and exposed to bad conditions won't have the same lifespan as something with 1000 jumps that's been well cared for in a good environment. So why are you worried about the actual number of jumps more than the actual condition of the canopy? Owned by Remi #?

Kind of unrelated, but I'll never forget the time Tuna tried to school a MFFI here on how military HALO worked. Owned by Remi #?

I do get that... but there's a difference between the direction of movement of the atmosphere relative to an airfoil and the influence that the actual direction of the wind have on the ground speed of that airfoil. Owned by Remi #?

I can't tell if you're joking or not Owned by Remi #?