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From what I hear, so does fucking sheep. But hey, what do I know. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Has anyone noticed that AMAZON is just like the democratic party... Bitching and moaning, but not coming up with any new and inventive way to fix what she sees as the problem? That to me is the main reason why the Democrats are failing. I too was once a liberal. I too once like Clinton. But then I woke up. Politicians ALL OF THEM are just that. Politicians. I don't hold them to any higher stardard than anyone else. We should, but we can't. What surprizes me most about people like Amazon is that they make their arrogance so obvious. Most liberals think conservatives are Stipid middle americans. They think they know what is best for the rest of the world and are in capable of seeing it any other way. They get very offended by conservatives and use tactics such as defermation and name calling to scare us. A conservative making a FACTUAL statement about the black Communities Family crisis: The Liberal label them racist. Or Good old boys... It is funny how Amazon thinks all the south are good old boy republicans... It is funny how more and more southern Blacks are joining the republican party isn't it... They just must Uncle Tom's... Who Knew. Don't be so ignorant Amazon, and don't be soo damn frustrated when you don't get your way. Chris PS- FoxNews gets 51% of the cable news market. That is more than cnn, msnbc, Headline news Combined. But I guess 51% of americans are just stupid... Comon' liberals keep taking shots at Foxnews - I think you are just scared of the truth. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

You obviously did quit collage... COLLEGE ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, unfortunately it won't tell us. I just don't think I will last that long. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Actually, if you search you will fid many threads or debates I have been in arguing against frivolous lawsuits and against paying for illeagals medical bills. I will do a search and post the results here so you can read those threads too. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

No it doesn't seem like canada, because it is privatized ... Hence ... CAPITALISM. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Yes you are... I didn't really think there was a debate in that statement. But hey, you live there I figured you would have know that. Actually, you are wrong. You do have to pay for it, as do all the other Canadian people. So, if you are accident prone you are lucky because everyone elses taxes help pay for your problems. If you very rarely get hurt, you are screwed, because your hard earned money is going to help those stupid people that for get to PLF. So, Let's say this Moron wants to die. He drives himself into a wall at 100Kph. But he survives the accident and is in a Coma for 20 years etc... Why should your tax money have to pay for his stupidity? Now, I am not saying that doesn't go on here in the USA, but, the healthcare is privatized, and the patient is at least partly financially responsible for his own stupidity. It seems crazy to me that I should pay for part of everyone's healthcare in the entire country. But hey I am a "small government" type of guy. Maybe you feel you need the government to support you. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Bill, what does this mean? Even if Fox leans right, why wouldn't they report Dead troops as a major story? Maybe I am reading this wrong, but I just don't know what you are saying. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, I took 45 minutes to read that one. I tthought is was pretty good. THe lefties will say it had rightie spin, but hey WCYD. I think this is something that is very true, and something the Left should be worried about. I think people of my generation are fed up with all the PC BS out there, we are fed up with all the Shiny happy people thoughts which are forced down our throats. I think the 20 somethings right now are the first ones that were really smothered by PC. And, now that we are out of the Liberal colleges of this country and in the workplace, we are getting a much better sense of how the world works. It is not a nice happy place where everyone loves eachother. The business world is cut throat, and we all need to look out for ourselves first. I really do think you are seeing a dramatic change in the youth of this nation toward the right. In college, I didn't even care about voting, an I was somewhat Left of center. Now that I have been out for several years, I lean Right, and I realize voting is one of the most important powers I have. Scary times for the Elite Media, and the left in general. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I disagree. Iknow what you are saying... I understand that. Yes, California has more EC votes than a smaller state such as DE. So, statisically 54vote would have more influence than 3. Yes it would seem that way. But, the people in smaller states have higher representation of votes than that of a larger state. Thus bringing the EC power up in small states and down in larger one to try and even the playing field as much as possible. But winning CA, NY,TX and FL will not win you the election. And, in a close race states like DE can become quite significant. And, on a per EC vote in that regard, the People of DE have more Electoral Influence than an person from CA. Apples and Oranges I guess... I think we both know the points we are making. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Here are some census numbers for the EC. http://www.census.gov/prod/3/98pubs/p25-1132.pdf http://www.fec.gov/pages/elecvote.htm Voting population of DE in 1998 = 568,000 Electoral College Votes of DE = 3 EC votes per person = 5.2x10^-6 Voting population of Cali 1998 = 23,665,000 Electoral College Vote of CA = 54 EC votes per person = 2.2x10^-6 AS you can see and Billvon already stated a California persons vote is effectively half as powerful as someone in DE. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read. I left the links up there so you can calculate the Data yourself. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well Doc, The reasons I like the electoral college: 1: The idea that the masses are too stupid to make an educated decision still holds up in my mind. So, allowing the delegates to actually vote differently than the states actual vote I feel is a good idea. I know this is scary, because it gives a lot of power to a single person, however, if there was a clear victor in a major election, it would take several Conspiring delegates to change the outcome, and I am just not a paranoid conspiracy theory type of guy. Now, let's say in FL, the delegates felt there was an injustice done, and voted for Gore instead of Bush. (personally at the time I was rooting for Gore and was hoping for this outcome) People would have gone crazy, I will give you that, but I truly believe our forefathers were a great deal smarter than most of us and knew what they were doing. I don't follow the constitution blindly, but I do trust the ideas it was based on. 2. (Opinion) People that bitch about the Electoral college process should NOT run for President. Right or Left, the EC is the way it is, deal with it, don't bitch if you don't like the outcome. 3. The point has already been made, but the design of the is country was for a bunch of commonly united but sovereign states. So, it was understood that, through the passage of time these states could have great differences in their own political beliefs and ideas. Since the design of this country was initially intended to have little Federal influence over the states, the EC was inacted to combat large states from effectively causing a major impact on the presidency which intern would affect all of the states to some degree. So, by having the EC, Major states do not throw off the balance of the system too much. Do they have more influence? Yes, but not as much as they would in a popular vote. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Actually it is PS'ed ... I have a pic of the same kid wearing a RED SOX SHIRT... Go figure. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

See Professor...This is where we differ. This is what I say. Who cares about the Health care system of the UK or Canada... The US is not a socialist society, and the government is not responsible for the people's medical expense, or welfare checks, or unemployment. The fact that we have any of these stupid programs at all is just a friendly perk. So stop bitching. The government doesn't owe you anything other than DEFENSE. I know the Lefties in here can't understand that, and they want to change that, but com'on. You should look up what Socialism is, and what capitalism is. And when you are there find out what the founding principals of the Republic of the United States were. Then, in a short essay, compare your ideas for making this country better to the founding principal of the US and then those of Canada. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

No, I am not feeling defensive, but I am frustrated by the left making stupid excuses like "Bush wans't elected...." That is/was a childish comment put out by a bunch of frustrated lefties who don't like the Electoral College. So tough shit to them. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

So, tim McVay I guess represents all americans when he and his cronies blew up the FBI Building. Do you see your logic here? A few outcasts probably not even Iraqies blow shit up and suddenly the whole country must hate that we helped them. So you arguement then would be since OBL is from Saudi Arabia, he represents all the saudies, and therefore we can go over there and kill all of them... hmmm probably a good idea!!! NO Paul you said terrorist...NOT me. I said anti-american and that is what you are. Yo udon't have to like GWB, or Clinton to be a good american. But it is people like you that hate america, and want to change it. People like you that want to create a secular and socialistic society and want to forget why we left Europe in the first place. We are not France or England or Canada or Germany thank GOD. We get a lot flack from Europe, and a lot of people over there don't like us... Oh fucking well... What don't the like, the Judeo-christian philosophy we were founded on or that we won't switch over to the Euro too. We are not Europe, we are not socialist nation, we are nopt a secular nation. We a republic founded by God fearing men who didn't need federal social programs to help the country survive. We are a group of people who are willing to stuggle and succeed and maintane our great nation... No matter what the morons on the other side of the pond think... You like socialism and gvernment bailouts???? MOVE ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.... Actually you may recall, a recount was issue, and, Bush was in fact the winner even after the recount. Don't be so naive...it makes you look stupid. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

You sound like HILLARY.... Ohhh Let's get rid of the electoral college cuz I could never win with it in place... Yeah...let'd get rid of the fucking constitution too and start over... Sound like a good idea??? Fuck off Hillary... You don't like this country, It is not the socialist society you envision??? Well tough shit. It is a republic, a capitolistic society...Move to FRANCE or CANADA if you don't like. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Hey quade, I would argue that that is an old and out dated statement. Actually power, food (open markets) and water have been restored to 96% of Bahgdad for more than 4 weeks now. Hmmm funny, you didn't see that reported on CBS, NBC, ABC, or CNN did you. Actually the oil is starting to flow again and civility is beginning to take place. When you watch the news at night and see (reletively) small groups of people protesting in the streets of Iraq against the US or demanding THEY (The people) want more power in their own country... Did you ever stop and think... WOW 8 months ago this wasn't possible for the people of Iraq. They couldn't protest... No, you didn't. You saw the negative anti-american groups you wanted to see. Just like the ones you belong to. (Ohh did I say that out loud?? Shit, sorry) No, it is OK... don't give any credit to the US that we have enabled these people to speak out, to let their voices be heard, even if we don't like what they are saying... It's OK, I know who did it, who help, who supported, who cared. And I know it wasn't you. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

When did the market start to drop???? ... Oh, when the GREAT STAIN MAKER (clinton) was in office. That's right, I forgot. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, if that is true, then I do NOT agree with Fox New's threat of a suit. If it did appear real and could be misunderstood, then I would be on the NEWS channels side. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Largest GDP growth since 1984 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&e=2&u=/nm/20031030/bs_nm/economy_gdp_dc ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

OK, the cartoon above it means nothing. If there was "Real Breaking News" the ticker would be run at the bottom of any show...that is the point. Now, I didn't see it, that is why I asked how realistic it was... Did it look like it could have been the Real Fox News ticker? Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I can also understand why you wouldn't want to sue your own network or sister network, but that isn't smart if the ticker was realistic looking. Often on FOX ENTERTAINMENT channel, the fox new ticker will appear if there is breaking news, therefore, by running it during the simpsons or any other show, the public could think it was a screw up by Fox NEWS and they could looses credibility. Or, they could think FOX NEWS did it deliberately as a joke, in which case they too would loose credibility. I would sue. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Did they have a realistic news ticker across the bottom of the screen? Did it say Fox News??? If it did, and it was being broadcast on a "FOX" channel then I can understand why the complaint. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty