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Comon'...... you know you want to respond.... Comon' I dare you!!! I double dog dare you!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Wendy, MEEP YoU!!!! It is true though.... I hate 95% of what Kallend Posts!!!! And PillyKev!!! The other 5% is humorous and I can laugh with them about it... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Kev, what you don't realize though is that right now Rates are low.... The Government can just get one of those 0% APR Credit cards and transfer the balance for a couple years!!!!! See, you aren't thinking ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I am calm, but the caffine from the coffee is kicking in!!! All I am saying is bring race into the story everytime there is a difference in race is stupid and inciteful (sp?) If the woman were Japaneese and the COp were white, there would be no discussion of the race card. Too many bleeding hearts in this country for some reason or another feel, or think they should feel guilty for slavery a hundred thirty years ago.... It really wouldn't be an issue, but people really do make it an issue .... usually white people. And FYI the term is Black not African American.... You can't assume they are african because they have dark skin!!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

From what? There IS a middle ground between doing nothing and total war. Your right that middle ground was during the clinton years when we said... Oh well it is the UN's problem.... Let SH fire at our planes every day, and send money to suicide bomber, Ohhhh yeah and steal money from the Oil for Food program!!!! Nice middle ground!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Damn Philly.... I was too stoned to think of that!!! THanks ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It probably is an issue because you are making it one!!!!! Why The F*** does race have to be an issue???? Damn .... good speculation there!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Seriously though, what does Kerry propose for an option? Spend Less and tax more? I am not buying it nor am I having it. Raise my taxes significantly and give me less services. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

In defence of Mr. O, the comment about the daily show was that John Stuart has a lot of influence even though the show is comedy.... Stuarts response was quite funny too. He said the election will be decided by the "undecided voters". Who better than the stoners... they can't decide anything... Ice cream or pretzles.... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Should they be???? NO THe cop doesn't know she is 5mo pregnant, and she put herself in this situation, not the cops. People need to take responsibility for their own actions..... I have a pool running here at work to guess how much she'll sue for. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

BINGO! " Deputy Chief Timothy Gronau said Monday that Officer George Saoutis followed police procedure after Aaron refused to stop cursing loudly during a cell phone conversation and became abusive and uncooperative." http://www.woai.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=5ADA77BC-5994-4326-9786-EFD2D73B333C Not for nothing but if she was cursing loudly in a public place, the cops have the right to ask her to stop, and if she refuses, arrest her for disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct.... Seems like she refused arrest as well. Too bad for her!!! Maybe she'll learn, but I doubt it!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I definately Agree.... I was on a plane at LGA and we were waiting 20 mins for a gate to open... I had to listen to this moron behind me get rejectd about 5 times by this girl on the phone... It was slightly comical, but mostly annoying. He was practically begging her to come visit him in DC. He kept explaining how difficult it was for him to "have these feelings for her" and not have them shared equally. PUT THE F***ING PHONE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I heard about a guy that died during the Subaru Challange... It is like an Eco-Challenge adventure race.... Yes, I believe he was crushed by a rock! Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I am a newbie, and I wouldn't do freefly activity of any kind without equipment which is safe for that activity. If you really want to play around, maybe the DZ would rent you FreeFly friendly gear ... Just a thought. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I am a meteorologist... Nice pics!!!! I have never heard the term wave lift before, but I will explain what it appears to be. It does appear to be a small scale gravity wave affecting the LCF (lifted condensation level). This is quite common when there is an inversion in the atmoshpere. Consider the top of the inversion like the surface of water. It will "wave" as these pictures suggest any time there is a disturbance in the stable layer below the inversion. Typically you will see this happen in the winter, but on occassions turbulence enduced convection (Cumulis clouds) may cause waves in the stable layer. It is fairly rare however, because it is difficult for convection to occur in a stable atmosphere. There must have been some VERY cold air aloft above the stable layer inorder to cause the Cum clouds to form. I have seen this before, but like I said it is not very common except in mountainous areas where orographic lifting forces leewaves/gravity waves. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

You should talk with the leading Researcher in the atmospheric physics Dept at Colorado State U. Dr. Gray. He is a world known expert on the topic... Ask his scientific opinion and those of many other non-media hungry scientist. The fact is the ave global temp is rising right now, but 25 yrs ago it was falling. Nature is cyclical, and nothing should be made of short term trending. Bill, I don't know what your expertise is, but my is atmospheric physics, and to jump out there is say GW is happening and is caused by humans, and will be disastrous, is pretty naive. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Isn't there anyone else out there for you to "waste your vote" on? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I will let you say that and think that if it makes you feel better. I won't argu that point with you, however, in his defense I would say it differently. He went to war based on evidence gathered from many different areas which seems to have been bad. You need to remember, the same person you are supporting for president right now said in 1998 that we needed to invade Iraq and remove SH.... Even though that wasn't what Pres Clinton wanted to do. Kerry said " I am far ahead of this administration, and I feel it is the right thing to do... he is a threat to this country." ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Again I agree, but with the market the way it was, these people at there age should have gotten out od high risk and switched to bonds or something.... There was no reason at 55-60 yrs old there money should have been where it was. However, with the market booming it is tough to pull your money out. You just keep telling yourself 1 more year.... 1 more year.... I can predict the ups and downs.... I simply call Ms. Cleo and she tells me ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

It is not about credibility.... If you read the article it clearly states that the information given to NG by scientist is somewhat true, but it is spun with such a political message that the truth is dramatically stretched. Again if a scientist (you or me) tells a news paper x, y, and z, and the paper only writes about x & Y, they are not lying, but they also aren't telling the Whole truth!!. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Your right, most people didn't LOOSE money, they lost potential wealth. It is close to the same thing, however, if you are planning your retirement and plans for the future revolve around what your paper worth was. They did make money, however, 60% of what was held was lost! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

See the definition of Flip-Flop.... If what you say is true, it is still not a flip flop. Example of a flip flop is John kerry that every member of congress needs to support the troops with money and body armor. Then he turns areound and votes no. Then Kerry at a speech says: "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars, before I voted against it. Flip-flop: That is when your stance on a topic changes to the EXACT opposite of what it had been. There are many issue people are saying Kerry flip-flopped on that he didn't. I will give you that. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Philly, I think what your say is true and well thought out, but don't you see it as a problem that there are more "Common people" investing in the market now? People who don't research and don't really know what they are doing. I think that can be very detrimental to the market. If there were another "bubble" in some sector, can't you see a lot of the "Common" people pulling out so they don't take another big hit like they did in the late 90's. I know a great deal of people who were in their 50's and 60's who lost 60% of there money for retirement in the late 90's. Meanwhile, many economists were saying it was going to burst sooner or later. Based on that experience couldn't you see the private secor pulling out of the market if the shit starts to hit the fan again? I for one would not, because I am young and I have the time to ride out the storm. But the babyboomers do not!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

What do you mean not giving a Flying flip about our nieghbor.... What about NAFTA? That helps our northern and southern nieghbors a lot!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

----------------------------------------------------------- NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC MELTING DOWN? By Patrick J. Michaels ----------------------------------------------------------- This is not your father's National Geographic any more. Once a coffee table staple with gorgeous photos of people, places and things, it now more resembles a host of other slick lobbying mags, pushing today's popular issues. Last month's cover story was "fat." What' has that to do with geography, other than some people are skinny, some are large, and they all don't live in the same place? And obesity turns out to be a pretty slippery subject, given that what is fat today was considered healthy a century ago. This month it's global warming, a subject that actually lends itself to quantitative fact-checking, of which National Geographic apparently did little. Dispassionate objectivity and virtue are the claims of every lobby. So, on the masthead, editor Bill Allen informs us what's inside isn't "science fiction" and "we're not going to show you waves swamping the Statue of Liberty" (referring to this summer's ludicrous global warming flick, "The Day After Tomorrow"). He realizes what's inside may not jibe with the perceptions of some of us unfortunates who live outside Georgetown, but he "can live with some canceled memberships" to tell what he calls "the biggest story in geography today." His masthead essay must have been completed before the final copy came in, because the fourth paragraph of the first article, by Daniel Glick, says the effects of global warming indeed are "like watching the Statue of Liberty melt." This massive rhetorical gaffe, unfortunately, is typical. I will start with the first misrepresentation of facts. When I get to this article's word limit, I'll still have 75 percent of them left. It begins with a picture of a flooded rice field in Bangladesh, with the comment that "as global temperatures and sea level climbs [rice farming] becomes an ever more precarious means of support." In 2001, Cecile Cabanes calculated sea-level rise for the last half-century around the world. In Bangladesh, there was a net fall in the 1990s. In the last 50 years, it has risen there an infinitesimal seven-tenths of an inch, far too little for anyone to notice, in Bangladesh or anywhere else. People in North Carolina adapt and prosper, living with sea level rises of 12 feet in 10 minutes, or a decent hurricane storm surge. If seven-tenths of an inch in 50 years is a problem, it's a social, not a climatic, one. Two pages later, we read, "Human activity almost certainly drove most of the past century's warming." That's not true either. There were two warming periods in the 20th century — one early and one late — and they were both the same magnitude. There is little dispute the first was "natural," caused by a warming sun. It occurred before humans could have influenced climate much with industrial emissions. Speaking of human influence, the next paragraph says "warming may not be gradual." Yet double-digit billions of dollars of scientific research comes to this central tendency: Once human warming begins in the atmosphere, it occurs at a constant rate. At least that's what the average of all of our climate models for the future says. And, if the warming trend of late 20th-century temperatures is caused by humans, which is reasonable, that rate has been established. And, indeed, what is remarkable is its constancy and that it is at the absolute low end of computer projections. The first article starts with the melting of Sperry Glacier, in Montana's Glacier National Park, saying, "A trailside sign notes that, since 1901, Sperry Glacier has shrunk from more than 800 to 300 acres." Indeed, it has. And, according to data from the National Climatic data center, which you can download at www.wrcc.dri.edu, summer temperatures averaged over Western Montana show absolutely no warming trend whatsoever in the 20th century. Glaciers melt in the summer. Next column: "The famed snows of Kilimanjaro have melted more than 80 percent since 1912." Again, indeed, true. In the "natural" warming of the first part of the 20th century, Kilimanjaro lost 45 percent of its cap. From 1953 through 1976, another 21 percent. That occurred while the planet cooled. Since 1976, in the era of "human" warming, another 12 percent, or the slowest melt rate of the last 100 years. National Geographic forgot to tell us this. Or that from 4,000 to 11,000 years ago it was much warmer in Africa than today, and Kilimanjaro's cap was much larger than now. Seven misleading statements in three pages. There are 28 more. When the truth gets this stretched, that's more than one person's work. Instead, it's a process, where scientists tell editors what they want to hear, editors don't check the facts and, ultimately, we all pay with very bad policies. Unfortunately, it's all predictable. Different scientific communities compete with each other for a finite (but large) amount of our tax dollars, and no one ever won out by saying his or her issue was not the world's most important problem. That makes great copy for Washington's other lobbies, like the National Geographic Society, now crusading against obesity and global warming. Patrick J. Michaels, senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of "Meltdown: The Predictable Distortion of Global Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media" (Cato Institute), to be published Sept 27. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty