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The signature has been questioned by more than 6 experts now. Looking at it on tv last night and visually comparing the new memos vs document proven to be signed by him it is OBVIOUS the signatures don't match!!! I ain't no expert!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I know... SHit we were colnized by Britts!!!! Sorry, but I look out for myself first and others second. I care more about what happens in my nation than yours or anyone elses. That is not to say I don't care about the rest of the world, but I need to look after my country first and foremost. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Maybe a horney Gorilla... at least that way you'll be in front of me and I can keep my eyes on you!!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

When Bush tries to change the electoral laws of senators and Represenatives then we'll talk. I don't exactly think you can say Putin and Bush are on the same page. Funny though isn't it. I ask a question about Russia and the liberals in here push it back on Bush..... ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

there is no other side to the story, CBS and dan rather refused to look at this story as objectively as possible. Instead, they have said the Documents are real and are sticking by there story. This is completely Unethical based on the principals of journalism. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I will take back what I said and rephrase it. A lot of our intell was CONFIRMED by Russia and Germany. Infact many times they admitted there was most likely WMD there, that is why they supported Inspections. They just didn't think SH was stupid enough to use WMD and did not view him as a threat. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

We can be on the same load... just no 2-ways ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Are you kidding me????????????? A lot of our intell on WMD came from Germany and Russia!!! ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Looks like Pres. Putin wants to be DICTATOR Putin pretty soon. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/14/russia.putin.ap/index.html ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I wasn't talking about Iraq specifically, but if you want to I will. There is a difference between the truth and what actually happend with France as far as Iraq went. THe truth is, Chiraq (sp?) went out of his way tho make the US job more difficult than it had to be. It is not like he simply disagreed and said... "Have fun. Good luck" He consirped with many countries to try and block the US from going to Iraq. That is much different than the innocent story you tell. Also, there is strong evidence that that France had some very convienent financial deals with Iraq many of them not even Legal. This seems to explain why France was so anti-Iraqi war. The french stood to loose a great deal. Not for nothing, call me a racist or what ever, but I do NOT trust the French. Never have, never will. As arrogant as they think we americans are, I see them as twice as bad. But I digress. The discussion was about Europeans in general and it was an opinionated one. I think I answered the questions to how I feel/think. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

EVERYONE... CLick on RON's link to KERRY in a nutshell and listen to what he had to say in 98 regarding SH and WMD. Kallend.... Yes I saw the report. Blix is still certain there was probably wmd in Iraq. He has never denigned that even upto 4 months ago. He was on O'reilly talking about that this summer. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

There is a huge difference though. European nations have confronted dictators in the past and failed mainly because these people were on their doorstep. In the USA the large oceans help a little bit. That is becoming less and less true, however, I think we would handle things at least slightly different if Iraq let's say was on our Mexican border. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Honestly I too see europeans as appeasers. Smaller and more reliant on eachother. I feel that europeans have a lot of angst toward eachother as well, however, disliking the USA brings the europeans together. First off all European nations are closer to socialism than Capitalism and I think that is a major sticking point on both sides. We americans left Europe in the first place to try something new. I think there is a bit of jealousy involved toward the USA. Mainly because in a Capitalistic society you can have more power, more money and less Governmental influence than in a socialistic one. I think in a socialistic society everyone tends to be on a closer level (in general). There is a move in this country in the far left to transform this country into a more European nation (GOD I HOPE THAT NEVER HAPPENS). To me it doesn't matter. We should not run this country and worry too much about how our neighbors across the pond feel. We as a nation are tring to better ourselves, and european input is not nessasarily in our best interest. Sorry for the spelling ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Bluesky, I think what you forget is that it wasn't "GW administration" only that said there was WMD in IRAQ. Hans Blix agreed there had to be in Jan/Feb 2003. Tony Blair did as well. As a matter of fact almost 90% of the security counsel felt/knew there were WMD's there. However, it was the US that felt we needed to go to war. SO, try not to spin too much buddy.... I am feeling dizzy just watching you. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

If we know where it is, and we aren't real willing to recover it, I can't really see some terrorist sitting off the coast of GA for days trying to bring this thing up undetected. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

A foresic scientist was on Fox news last night with Brit Hume. She had been asked to exanine the documents a a couple days ago. The first tesh she conducted was to use the default settings on MS Word and type the memo's as they were. She states that in the body of the memo she did not hit the carriage return once and the defaul MS Word settings printed exactly as the memos were. Meaning all spacing was identical in the memos and in a word document. She also testified that the signatures on the memos were bogus. This was after a comparitive analysis to 4 document known to be signed by Jerry Killian. In those 4 documents all with witness signatures his signature is almost identical. In the Memos it is not even close!!!! I am no hand writing expert, but even I could see some obvious differences. Chris ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

WIll he take away my weapons? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

But did he say he would do it to curb terrorism? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Well, In your opinion then, was this a systematic attempt to surpress the black vote? Is that what you are saying? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Funny, I thought that link said the reasons were Unknown. But I guess Kallend has all the answers. Would you like me to post the other 16,399 links? Even the Florida GOP has admitted using faulty lists of felons to disqualify voters in the 2000 election. Edited to fix formatting, (was not using my IBM Selectric) So what are you implying? All the people on those lists were Black? All were Democrats? I believe too your clicky talks about voters choosing more than one person for the same catagory. Maybe then the rational conclusions is that Blacks are dumber than whites..... Or Democrats are dumber than Republicans..... since less White republican votes were discounted due to redundancy than Black democrats votes..... Is that the road we want to go down? No, wait I forgot, it was a conspiracy by the white/Repblican man to keep down the black democratic vote. Sure that's it. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

I can if she reads the NY TImes, or the Boston Globe, or the LA Times for that matter ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Funny, I thought that link said the reasons were Unknown. But I guess Kallend has all the answers. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

They weren't questioning the right and or left justifacation of the memo's.... They were questioning the font. I was born in 77, and I too used typewriters. Infact I took a typewriting class in 7th grade... Imagine that. It is not just you "old folks" that had to use them Slide Rules? ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

Maybe I'll scan and post a page from my PhD thesis. I typed it (myself) in 1970 on an electric typewriter (not as fancy as a Selectric, we didn't have those). It has nice superscripts, perfectly centered titles, and right-justified text. You young people seem to think anything done before 1985 was in the dark ages. OK, now Kallend is a Typewriter expert.... THis is good. You can debate the authenticity of the Doc's all you want, but more and more they are looking fake. CBS hired only a hand writing expert to look at the signature, not the type. The person writing the memo's was retired for 18 months when one of the alleged memos had been writen, and there are serious questions by unbiased experts regarding the typeset and font of the Documents. Rather is wrong in STATING the documents are factual, and then refusing to show his sources. CBS is wrong for not checking the sources, not releasing all information for the public to see once the controversy was uncovered, and for not having the authenticity of the documents checked prior to airing the story. There is NO defense of the poor News ethics shown here by either CBS and Rather. It is inexcusable. And yes, much like the Times, CBS will loose a lot of credibility, as they should. It is painfully obvious now that Rather is in the Kerry Camp, because he could not step back and look at this situation objectively. Instead he insisted the documents were the real truth. We are all witnessing the fall Dan (Blather) Rather. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty

again bill it comes down to "knowing" they were forgeries. If CBS knew, they are screwed. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty