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Clark Gable - B-17 gunner Jimmy Stewart - B-17 B-24 pilot Tom Landry - B-17 pilot Norman Lear - B-17 radio operator Gene Roddenberry - B-17 pilot Smokey Yunick - B-17 pilot (gearheads will know him)

Yeah...like THAT'S gonna fit on the sign at the deli! I dunno it's kind of catchy... ... damn I was away from my cpu this weekend... this thread got bent ahahahaha I like the play on "ciao". "Chow, Baby!" works for me! Hey! the thread started going off the tracks before my response. But, I admit I contributed to the drift(and I apologize for it). Looks like it's somewhat back on track.

That's the highest state. (well maybe not! CA probably has that distinction.)

[reply.......West Virginia I thought the official name was "West by God Virginia". Maybe some commas, maybe not.

It has one more "s" than it's supposed to have. It should have only as many as "Mississippi"

[reply........ Stray cats? Disgusting. They should have used the classifieds for free kittens. Home-raised cats make better eatin

That's better'n "booties too tight". When they first came out I borrowed a bootie jump suit from a friend to see what all the hubbub was about. I put on the suit and my rig, rolled up the legs and boarded the plane. At jump run I zipped the booties and shuffled toward the door while bent over in the plane. I did a dive-float type exit and tried to straighten my legs while looking up at the plane and found out that my friend's legs were quite a bit shorter than mine. I did zip the booties on the ground but I never stood up with them zipped before boarding the plane.

In Plant City (a few miles south of zephyrhills) a place called "Jim's Lunch" was locally famous for having the best hamburgers around. When my dad returned from England after WW2 the first thing he wanted to do was go get a burger from Jims's. His buds told him the place had been shut down for mixing meat from stray cats in his burgers.

Yep! ...and just as bad are restaurants that start up and build a rep using quality ingredients for a while and then, after building a clientele, begin cutting corners to try to maximize profits. They are cutting their own throats. (I mean that metaphorically, for Pete's sake!)

Yeah...like THAT'S gonna fit on the sign at the deli! Oh yeah!..... I forgot to add that without immigrants Americans would be eating some pretty crappy food.

You completely missed my point. As a lawyer you probably need to read what is written and not try to add things that are not there. (Do not assume I am bigoted towards lawyers. My brother is one.) I re-read my post and do not see anywhere where I called anyone an illegal immigrant. I have several friends and one relative who are Mexicans who have entered this country illegally. I could say undocumented but the fact is they are/were illegal aliens. To make my position clear--- I am against illegal immigration, but for legal immigration... regardless of race, color or creed, just like our founding documents say. I am for a path to legal status on an individual basis. I am fully aware that the origin of "WOP" applied to immigrants (from anywhere) who were checking in legally and who did not have identification papers with them when they arrived. The bureaucrat stamped "W.O.P." on their entrance documents, spelled their names incorrectly and sent them on their way. Bigotry is a very serious charge and throwing the term about for the advancement of a political agenda weakens the term. To get on with my original point..... I was simply trying to point out that treatment of immigrants in this country has always been less than ideal and Mexican immigrants are not experiencing anything new. I was pointing out that immigrants have been mistreated regardless of their immigration status, country of origin, or service to this country and that that treatment does not necessarily temper their love for this country.

Congratulations! (not too shabby for anyone!)

Sounds like you're arching just about right to fall with your instructor and too much in the tunnel. You are not going to have a body position which will fit all conditions. During any skydive you will constantly be varying (subconsciously) your fall rate throughout the freefall by varying your arch and other body position changes. For example, if you need to reach to take a grip you will learn to automatically adjust your arch and limb positions to compensate.

We are all immigrants. Country of origin does not seem to determine an individual's "love" for the US, even under adverse treatment. This country has a weird way of "testing" it's immigrants. Many of the Italian immigrants who were mistreated came here to escape the rise of fascism in Europe. I can't name 'em all but mostly these were legal aliens: "Congressional Record: September 17, 2003 (Senate) Page S11644-S11647 PETITIONS AND MEMORIALS The following petitions and memorials were laid before the Senate and were referred or ordered to lie on the table as indicated: [...] POM-293. A concurrent resolution adopted by the House of Representatives of the Legislature of the State of New Hampshire relative to Italian-American citizens of the United States during World War II; to the Committee on the Judiciary. House Concurrent Resolution No. 27 Whereas, more than 500,000 Italian-Americans served in World War II for the United States of America; and Whereas, recently it has become known that up to 600,000 members of the families of those who served in World War II were placed under wartime restrictions which included random arrests and searches of their person and property, curfews, forced relocation, so-called ``prohibited zones,'' and internment camps; and Whereas, these individuals were placed under such restrictions solely based on their Italian-American heritage; and........." complete petition is here

Uh....The Pope's German. The last one was Polish. German Brats and Polish sausages are good but neither can hold a candle to sazitza prepared by those who know what they're doing. I'm 100% three-quarters Italian(Sicilian) so I am a bit biased.

"The Upper US Deli" -- you gotta say it with an Italian accent. BTW - what's the definition of "specimen" (an Italian astronaut)

I've had the same dream, so I pinched myself and found out I wasn't dreaming.

"......... Hey I've been havin' the same old dreams, But mine was a little different you see. I dreamt that the only person jumping was me. I didn't see you around." Well, now time passed and now it seems Everybody's having them dreams. Everybody sees themselves jumpin' with no one else. Half of the people can be part right all of the time, Some of the people can be all right part of the time. I think Abraham Lincoln said that. "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours," ..I said that." .... with apologies to BD

I'm sure you've already found this by searching the reg# -- http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19930420-0 There is more to be found via various searches. The pilot's version is slightly different and I, personally, tend to believe him. There are likely some of the people who were on that load that frequent this site and I'll leave comments to them. Also, Martin Evans wrote an excellent first-hand narrative that is published at http://diverdriver.com/Accidents/DC3_Crash_Narrative/dc3_crash_narrative.htm Edited to add: I think a newly-designed restraint system had been installed on this plane and I think that was credited with the incredible absence of injuries. Restraints for jumpers had, at that time, become a big issue although I do remember that the DZ already did have that as a matter of policy, at least from the time I began jumping there.

Yep, someone spiraling down because he was on a back-to-back load got me from behind. Were you there? (it was Z-Team 2006). Pic attached. I have line twists and collapsed end cells at about 100ft agl, but landed OK. Uh-oh! Looks like DZs need to designate a 3rd landing area for people who need to spiral down to make the next load. BTW- You are one lucky dude! That was just plain dangerous.

Just an observation and offering no opinion on whether certain areas should be designated for certain types of landings......but if you look down and see a long pond near a good viewing area, it's a pretty good bet that HP landings will occur near there. At ZHills the pond is at the edge of acres and acres of landing area.

LOL! that brings back memories. A group of us begged the pilot to take us up between t-storms. Looked like plenty of time to get a load up. The pilot refused so we complained, begged and whined to the DZO and the pilot was finally told to take our group up. On jump run we slid the door up and hail was smashing against the bulkhead with big chunks of ice rolling up the floor. The pilot was looking back and laughing his ass off. So we landed in the Twin Beech. (That, by itself, was scary enough)

Sleet, too......a few of us landed with welted and bloody faces.

Let 'em out of the car hauler and they might stop screamin'! I was going to suggest putting them IN the car hauler! Many years ago I was towing a boat to a race at Lk Havasu with a tall 4wd van. I-10 ended at the Pecos River canyon and the old 2-lane road went down into the canyon and back up to where the interstate picked up again. Nighttiime I was driving 70+ with wind buffeting the whole time. Didn't give it a thought. Coming back a few days later during daylight and I now could see the road, or more specifically the drop offs and ledges along this narrow winding road. I was scared enough to have traffic backed up to New Mexico. Maybe 35 or 40 mph.

Who can't spell. Can you get banned for personal attacks on yourself?? Hey I have been drivin all day and this wireless SUCKS lizard balls and someone spilled shit in the keyboard while we were driven thru that gawd dayum desert I like the GPS function on the 17" lappie so I can actually read the speed and directions on the lappie with the screwed up keyboard.... I am allowed all the dayum typos I want.... Now BITE me BIOTCH Well, it's comforting to know you aren't texting or scratching off lottery tickets while driving.