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What generalized, baseless crap.....

It's the difference between a mosquito bite on the arm and a punch right to the nose. Looking at it on a macro level. One would be considered more of a true attack on your country whereas the other might only be considered a nuisance. We can’t keep thinking of terrorism as a nuisance anymore. It must be looked at as a serious threat to national security.

Probably not at 8 months. It's probably a healthy baby doing fine as long as it's fed and kept warm. The baby isn't 8 months old, the mother was 8 months pregnant when she was killed and the baby was removed from her womb. The baby needs to get to a hospital. Hope they catch the bad guys and I have a feeling they will. Right. I said that wrong. My apologies. Anyway, 8 months gestation should be plenty cooking time to produce a viable baby. More than likely, I'd say the baby has a good chance. Unless it was deprived of oxygen for long enough during the procedure.

Probably not at 8 months. It's probably a healthy baby doing fine as long as it's fed and kept warm.

How can you have an Amber Alert for a fetus? Not a fetus anymore.

I believe the point was that originally the Jews were there and established as a nation before all the squatters came in.

What's Christianity got to do with this? I don't believe it was mentioned even once. This is before that.

This completely overlooks everything that has happened since then. If by interesting you mean historically inaccurate and completely biased, than yes, it is. What exactly is innacurate in the wording of the quote above? What is biased?

Muslims pray facing Mecca. The only time their back is towards Jeruslem is if they are inbetween Jeruslem and Mecca. So technically the answer is right, but its only right in an extremely small portion of the Muslim population. That's cool. Again, I can't verify the accuracy of all of this but I thought it interesting with reference to who was there first and the right of Israel to exist.

I’m not claiming all of this is accurate since I am admittedly not a history buff and I can't even verify exactly who compiled it, however, I thought it was interesting. I’m not arguing a point. I was just curious. What do you think? Who was in Israel first, the Jews or Palestinians Posted on 12/05/2001 7:50:45 PM PST by 100American. Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. 1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam. 2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. 3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. 4.The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. 5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. 7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. 9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were not driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. 10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms. 11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same. 12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey. 13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won. 14. The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons. 15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths. 16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel -- notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms. 17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel. 18. The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967. 19. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967. 20. The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967. Who was there first?

Britain (London) has been fighting terrorism for DECADES. This isn't something that we started doing recently. Not on the scale of 9-11, though. By the way, this isn't something the US is new to either. We've had many terrorist attacks prior to 9-11. But, like I said, not on this scale.

Worked fine for me. Nice.

We've got some specialized units and some of our own Mercs that are a big pain in the butt for the bad guys too.

Yup. That sounds about right. Better bring your own stuff next time cuz Buddy's a cheap bastard. I mean that in the best way possible.

I don't think I'd want to give them something capable of shooting full automatic. I believe in acceptable risk but we are in an airplane at 40,000ft. Some training and a pistol should do fine.

You and I agree on something....Training beats toys anyday. Reference my ADD dependence threads. Correct. You've always got to be prepared to break it all down to the least common denominator. The mind is the best weapon.

Military Aricraft C-31, UV18a, Issued Military equipment, All Military Jumpers on orders to be there and be jumping. The aircraft were painted Black and Gold. Ok, even though we were all military with clearance, it was the only civilian one. By the way, my aircraft was painted ORANGE & BLUE!!! My Plane (well...Buddy's plane) )

One week? Thats nothing, we were jumping within DAYS at Laurenburg, NC when only military flights were allowed in the air...Military *training*. After they shut down civilian air traffic? We jumped from a Cessna 182. I may have been wrong. It was either one or two weeks after. It was definitely after they had shut everything down. Added: The only reason it was allowed at all was because of our security clearances, current or former service, and CSM Buddy Blue's reputation. Oh, and it was into a bowl stadium with thousands of people at a sporting event. Not just at a DZ.

You're right but I have to brag. One week after 9-11, I and three others (including my Dad; MSG Ret. Bob Phillips) were allowed to skydive into the Army/UAB football game at Legion Field, Birmingham, AL. It was organized by Chuck Blue's (SkymonkeyOne) Dad, CSM Ret. Buddy Blue, and was the only flight allowed over a sporting event in the USA at that time. It was very closely watched and there were helicopters flying around watching our every move. We only had one shot at it and it was a very small window. The jump was great! We entered the stadium with flags at pre-game right after the National Anthem and the entire crowd was screaming "USA!"..."USA!"..."USA!" It gave me chill bumps and was very humbling and motivating given that everyone was in the mindset of retaliation against the ones who attacked NY. I was deployed shortly thereafter. I wish we could retrieve the sense of urgency and patriotism that we had back then. I can still visualize the people jumping from the windows of the Trade Centers to avoid being burned to death. Anyway, it wasn’t the biggest demo that I’ve ever done but will be one that I’ll never forget. By the way, we spotted without GPS.

There's nothing new about that kind of plan. He didn't invent it. Bush is just talking about applying it to homeland security also.

That's a kinda silly statement. No matter how fucked up they are, it would still be true. But you agree that there must be standards for public broadcasting? You're not one of these for no regulation, right? What do you suggest?

Ah... but how do you know? Was a national vote ever held to decide what was offensive or was just just up to a committee vote at the FCC? What would you suggest? The FCC is the best we've got now. It has to be governed somehow.

True, but now we are talking about unexpected behaviour again. It shouldn't be legal for that to be my normal thing either.

Correct, and you have the freedom to turn off the tv. This to me is different from the janet jackson tit because it was expectable and not out of the ordinary. You have the freedom to walk down the street with a blindfold on but that doesn't mean that I should have the right to lift up my kilt at you when you walk by.

I dare say that the majority of Americans don't think that's necessary.