pajarito
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Back to the argument of evidence. We really need to stay away from fairytale arguments and ground our discussion in reality.
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The one's listed in the Bible carry a bit more weight than anyone's personal opinion. Do you think you've kept those?
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Yes. Just because you don't believe in God does not mean that he does not exist and that his rules don't apply.
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ARGUMENT FROM BLINDNESS (II) (1) God is love. (2) Love is blind. (3) Stevie Wonder is blind. (4) Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God. (5) Therefore, God exists.
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Not when it concerns the taking of his name in vain which I liken to much of this post or the breaking of any of the other 10 Commandments.
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How is it blasphemy? There are many arguments in there that point to God's existence. It's all in your motive. Blasphemy: A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.
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Simply another attempt to discredit using simplistic drabble derived from misunderstanding or unwillingness to try and understand.
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Thou shalt not kill
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Man...you need a new hobby.
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Ok... Let's use your example and compare Herodotus with the New Testament of the Bible. Which do you think would be more reliable? Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability
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Sorry for the late reply. I’ve recently started a new job and it’s been time consuming. I haven’t been able to check this stuff every day like I used to. Anyway… My point was that you don’t prove the authenticity of a written document in the same way you’d prove a scientific experiment. Many people here state that is why they cannot believe what is written in the Bible (e.g. I can demonstrate scientifically that gravity exists over and over and, therefore, I believe it. I can’t do the same with the occurrences in the Bible, so I don’t.) On the other hand, they believe other historical documentation based on the reliable testimony of others long since deceased.
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Without getting into the specifics of that, why would that invalidate what Jesus said and did in the New Testament? Different books. Different authors. Different times.
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Well...you're correct in that it's not provable beyond a doubt. However, I think there is a preponderance of evidence to show reliability and accuracy. That’s acceptable in my mind.
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My point was that you don't prove the accuracy or reliability of a historical document in the same way you'd prove that an electron passed through an object. Gotta be more specific than that in order to discuss what you're talking about.
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Of course. You don't prove something happened in recorded history with the scientific method. No one alive today actually saw John Hancock sign the Declaration of Independence. I believe he actually did it, though, because reliable people recorded that he did and we've got his "John Hancock " on the document. It's not something you can prove over and over in a lab but I believe he did it. Don't you?
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Interesting point. They are one and of the same. The “Only Begotten Son” Language
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No sweat bro. Just some things to think about. Added: I'll be back later.
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You must have faith in that things will eventually turn out the way they should and according to God’s plan. We weren’t given all the answers on purpose. In that, we must have faith. I don’t believe faith has as much to do with the historical accuracy or reliability of the Bible, though. There’s a lot of evidence in support of that. Let’s not make silly comparisons as with the fictional Harry Potter. We’re dealing with “real” people, places, and events here. I’ve found the following information interesting on the subject. I have much more detailed info in a .pdf file but it would take me some time to locate and post. Can we trust the New Testament as a historical document? Wasn't the New Testament written hundreds of years after Christ? Hasn't the Bible been rewritten so many times that we can't trust it anymore? Since the New Testament writers were biased, can we trust their testimony?
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Tough question. One that has bothered me a lot (especially when I used to be an Agnostic). All I know for sure is that you and I have knowledge (conscience; con = with; science = knowledge) of the truth whether you choose to believe it or not and, therefore, you are accountable for your decision or indecision. Other than his word, God's existence has also been made known through his creation (world, universe, everything around us). Everyone, including that guy in the middle of the rainforest who's never seen a white man, has the presense of God written on his/her heart. I'm not sure what God's plan for them is. Although, I'm quite sure they are included in the plan.
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Sorry, to the faithful it may be proof, but excuse me from saying, it's really simply hearsay (please I do NOT mean to belittle your faith, really) .. I don't feel belittled. Yet... How do you prove the accuracy of any written document. Do you believe Shakespear wrote all that is attributed to him? Why?
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No. Salvation came from the grace of God before Jesus. It was a different covenant (e.g. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." Romans 4:3)
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Thomas saw Jesus beaten, crucified, buried, and standing in front of him days later. He saw him along with hundreds of other people. He not only saw him but put his finger in the holes left by the nails and spear. That's not a reproducible effect as in a scientific experiment but proof positive nonetheless.
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Below is what is required for salvation. Same verse. Three different translations including the King James Version. What’s the difference? Really? Could a person read this in the NASB version and get the same benefit as from the KJV? I think so. Whether the KJV is a more accurate translation or not. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 (KJV) “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16 (NIV) "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” John 3:16 (NASB)
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I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying at all. Bill believes (correct me if I'm wrong Bill) that the KJV is the most accurate translation from the original manuscripts (by Godly design). All others contain errors and, according to him, deviate from the completeness or "fullness" that it should contain. That doesn't mean that other translations are completely innacurate. It only means that the KJV is the most accurate. It also has nothing to do with one's relationship with Christ or one's salvation. Someone's heart may also be changed from reading a translation other than the KJV. **Again, I'm just saying what I think he means. **
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How do you know this? Like I said before, I'll take your word for it. Just curious as to how you know for sure. Just a bit skeptical.