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I would like to point out that Irak was never a safe heaven for OBL. OBL considered SH too progresist and didn´t like him much. the feeling was mutual. Go figure, under SH the women could study and didn´t have to wear burkas. . WTF? If the government positions are given to representatives of the minorities, i don´t have anything against it, however that was not the impression that article gave me. Still, it looks to me more like U.S.-sponsored elections rather than free elections. Not just supplies, I think U.K also was involved with supplying SH with WMD, although i am not positive about it. Of course whoever sold him weapons has as much responsability as the U.S, but you have to be consequent. If you sell him weapons to kill the kurds, don´t get upset if he kills the kurds, and don´t use it to further advance your political agenda. I am not speaking of just walking away. The U.N could have taken care of it, and share the reponsbility and the costs. However Bush still though that he was sitting ona pile of gold and didn´t want anyone to interfere. Besides, he had already promised parts of the reconstruction of Irak to U.K, Spain and Poland, so he couldn´t just give it away to the U.N. Sorry, it is not. That was one of the very first things done. I am positive your intentions are good and in theory what you speak of is wonderful. It is not so much if you add the cost of it in the equation. Let´s suppose you had to daughters, Jennifer and Melanie. Would you accept Jennifers death so Melanie could vote? I would not accept that, the cost is too great. You are assuming that all the Irakies are willing to pay that price.

Dude, i only say about your green card because in another post you said that you were about to get the residence or something like that. You really sound to me like you are trying to speed up the process by repeating over and over the right wing agenda. I don´t care to look up U.S inmigration requirement because i am happy in my country. About being an armchair quaterback. GQ_Jumper posts from Irak, and although i may not agree with many of his posts, he knows what he is talking about. You are in the U.S, and you already talk like you are in a war zone. Big diference... When you post from Irak, i will stop thinking that you watch too much TV (Fox news)

Free elections do not scare me, the elections Irak are having do scare me. They are not free. Bush has been baragining with Irak before the beggining. He promised to allow the country who helped him in his war to participate in the reconstruction of Irak, and now he gives government position to his friends. That is not democracy. Let´s have this straight, i am happy SH is not in power anymore, even if it was by means of an illegal war. When you talk about how many civilians died because SH you fail to point out that the U.S was also involved in those deaths by selling WMD to SH and supporting his dictatorship. The way i see it is that the U.S had a last chance to leave Irak with a bit of dignity after SH army was defeated. After he was defeated there was one or two months when the insurgency had not yet quite kicked in that a good post war plan may have worked. However, the U.S was more interested in securing oil fields than working with the civilian population. Now, do you honestly think that those elections means anything? How many people do you reckon are going to go to vote and risk being blown out by a car terrorist bomb or a U.S bomb?

Dude, you have this nasty habit of not reading the posts before replying. Did I write that my experience was first hand? I don´t think so. I mean, if i had first hand experience of how Franco´s regime executes people, i could not be writing this, right? I guess that in your fantasy world having grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles, cousins and friends who have lived under a dictatorship unqualifies me to understand a dictatorship. Hey Hey Hey, easy there. You are not even american and you already act like the most radical republican. Shouldn´t you wait to get your green card before defending no-matter-what the U.S, I mean, it is not like the inmigration authorities read up this forum. Make no mistake, you are as armchair quaterback as myself when it comes to the Irak war. The only diference is that I value life (both Iraki and american) way more than you do. No, no, they are guilty, how do they dare those pesky iraquis to misbehave in the 51th state of the U.S.A. It is getting harder and harder to take your posts seriously. Have you realized that most if not all of your posts are about trying to bash my posts? Dude, if the girls gave me half the attention you give me, I would be pulling every day

No, thank god i didn´t live under SH. But do not forget though that Spain has had its share of dictators. Franco had this nasty habit of executing people who didn´t share his ideas, so I know what to live under a dictator is all about. However when your 4 years old daughter is blown up to pieces, you tend to be very angry at whoever killed your daughter, wether it is a dictatorship, a terrorist, or some foreign soldier thinking he is doing you a favour. My feeling towards the U.S are quite complicated and i don´t think any of the poster in DZ.com quite get it for they don´t know much about me. I think you are mistaken my feelings toward the U.S current administration with my feelings toward the U.S. in general. They are completely different But it is a cheap shot (i am not refering to you) to say someone is a U.S hater to invalidate his arguments. I think that is one of the logical fallacies.

You don´t really believe that, right? When they stop the fight you will leave only to bring a McDonalds in every corner and set a puppet government that will do whatever the white house commands. Man, they have their pride and their ego, and it is their damn country. Take your democracy and your capitalism back home, because maybe they don´t want it. Maybe in that region another form of government is neccesary.

Tough question, i would have preferred no iraqui invasion altogether. Saddam Hussein was no good, but he was better than the U.S both at keeping order, and keeping innocent casualties low. (well, at least lower than the U.S. If things got too bad in Iraq, there would have been a revolt. Anyway, that is the past, let´s talk about the present. No one trusts the U.S. less the Iraquies, so the best solution, would be that the U.S gets the fuck out of Irak, let the situation chill out for a while, and that the U.N, offer their help to whoever has more popular support (Probably some religious leader). Emphasis added in to the offer, not impose. Has anyone thought that maybe instead of a democracy they prefer a teocracy?

My favourite T-Shirt sais: "Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians" although i admit that my T-Shirt could be offensive to a minority, and could very well start a riot should i wear it in some selected places, i certainly wouldn´t expect the authorities to make me remove the T-Shirt. What about the T-Shirt that sais: "I don´t do mingers". Will the ugly chicks get offended?

You may want out ASAP as long as you leave a puppet government that can be controled remotely from wasinghton DC.

Do not forget to thank the insurgents as well. They are doing their best to free Irak from the U.S. It works both ways you know.

I tried to find a link that proves that when i am mighty drunk i tell the same story 20 times, but couldn´t find any... I knew my friends were exagerating Happy Chistmas, I hope Santa brings you and your family everything you asked for. Somehow i doubt it as i fear he is going to get shot down from the sky as it travels around the U.S. by a drunk CCW.

Sorry for the late response, but i was writting Santa´s letter (I have asked for an absolute ban of guns worldwide) Yes, either that or you leave your toy at home. If you don´t comply, you broke the law. Much better if the law prohibits carrying while drinking/drunk. Yes, one of them (the first) is much easier to enforce than the other one, both moneywise and timewise. The law is not voluntary, if you break the law, you pay the consecuences. You are free to decide wether you want to take the risk of being caught. That is why it is necesary to enforce whatever law you may pass and why the first law above will work better than the second. Like all the laws out there, they are based on self restriction for fear of the consequences. Should we ditch the law that sais that you cannot kill because it also relies on people´s adherance? With the first law above, whoever carries a weapon in a bar without declaring it, with the second, whoever caries a weapon when intoxicated or in the proccess of becoming Thinking yesterday about this whole incident, made me think about a very possible scenario that i don´t think it has been discussed. There was one guy with a CCW very close to the guy doing the shooting. Had he have a gun, he could have drawn the gun, and kill the killer. But don´t you think that in the confussion, it is very likely that someone hears shoots, sees a guy with a weapon drawn and confuse the guy saving the day with the initial shooter and kills him? What about if there is shootings and everybody gets their gun out and start shooting whoever also has a gun drawn? How many innocent people could die in that situation? Sorry, no links, but you will agree with me that it is a very real posibility... What you are missing is that your opinion in this subject is as biased as mine, just in the other direction. You look at the best scenario and i look at the worst. To me common sense is avoiding the worst, not hoping for the best.

Alright, but knowing what you do now, would you still have gone to war under those terms? I mean, WMD have not been found yet, neither a suitable delivery way for those WMD, so the threat to use WMD is bogus, specially the time frame of 45 minutes (I believe that was Blair). By the way, the intel was gathered/fabricated by the U.S/U.K, Maybe the sources where from other countries as well, but it is U.S/U.K responsabilities to check first the sources. So, and i am conceding a lot, I put U.S/U.K intel in the same level than SH and the U.N if not more. Of course that is if the "evidence" was gathered, if it was fabricated, i would add to that list in the first position whoever made up those lies.

LMAO!! Well, having today diagnosticated myself a pretty bad case of diarrea, it is pretty safe to assume that this year I will have behind my christmas dick a bunch of toilet paper rolls. Happy winter solstice to all of you...

Okay, let´s assume for a second that i agree with your two points, you do realize that the Iraq mess was based upon the existance of WMD and the danger of SH deploying WMD in under 45 minutes, right? Well, you got bad Intel, so if you don´t want to blame bush, shouldn´t you at least blame U.S intel? And as a plus it was the liberation of the Iraqui people. Which goes against international legality and, by the way, are not happy at all with your presence there.

This post is going to be dismissed right away as it doesnt contain any google-proof, just common sense. When you get drunk, you do things that otherwise you wouldn´t do. I usually fall asleep or bore to death my friends by telling them the same story 20 times. Other people throw up, piss on themselves or will hit on anything that looks like a woman. And there is the ocasional guy who gets aggresive. Maybe it is a minority, maybe not, but they exist. I think that when one of those assholes has had so much to drink that common sense has totally abondoned him, it would be dangerous if he has a gun. Remember that conflicts scalate and what could have been just a fist fight can turn in something much worse. Now, i see the problem beetwen guns and alcohol, not beetwen bars and guns. The problem is that you can get alcohol in bars. If anyone can think of any way to prevent people from drinking and carrying guns, i would say it is a good idea (I would ban guns altogether, but that is just my opinion from a country where guns are not that common). But I don´t see how you could do that withough vulnerating other basic rights. Would you be okay if the bar made all the CCW holders identify at the door and wear a visible sticker so the waiter would not serve them any alcohol? Would you be okay if you had to breathalise to prove that you have not been drinking before?

That is probably because you didn´t know about it to begin with. Because as mr2mk1g said that region is already semi-autonomous (they control their own taxes, own government, etc,) To give them their own state (outside of spain) would be extremely unfair for those basques that do not want it, which are most of them given the consequences of that. As a matter of fact, they do not want the independence from spain, they want the right to choose wether they want to be independent or not. They very well know that they couldn´t afford it, however, if Spain concedes that to Basque country it would have to do it for Cataluña as well, and due to tourism, they could afford it. Anyway, if florida sais that they don´t want to be part of the U.S anymore would you just let them make theor own country?

Affirmative, that is the job of the bouncer.

Why do you take pride in something that you have not taken part in? You are american because your parents decided to have sex in America and raise you in America. Had your mother and father been from Palestine, you could very well be now throwing stones at Israely tanks.

Perhaps not. I am very well aware of those acts committed by my government. Funny thing is that you forgot to mention the biggest one. read up about GAL, a government funded group who kidnappeed and tortured a terrorist, and go figure, they also got the wrong guy. So it is okay because if Spain has done it before, you can do it too and still hold the high moral ground. Yeah, right. By the way, those responsible for the GAL, are in jail at the moment, except the founder Mr X. (That Mr X is Felipe Gonzalez an ex-president, presidents have the hability to get away with things other people don´t.)

China never claims that they protect human rights or that their country is the very best and has the most freedom in the world... you do it at every ocasion you get.

What is a tango? Other than the argentinian dance of course... Okay, so what about if the tango doesn´t know anything and he ends up with his digits chopped off? Do you apologize in Uncle Sam´s behalf and done with it? By the way, that of chopping parts of the body off reminds me sooooo much to the taliban government....

Good post!!!!

LMAO. Maybe they live together.

You're right. Your way is much better. We don´t start wars, we don´t like sending our kids to get killed, and we don´t certainly enjoy when they come home crippled and sick, just to forget about them when the war is over. We don´t have a nice history, like most of the countries out there, but certainly the U.S. doesn´t get to do any teaching about human rights, democracy or even wars. Don´t forget Vietnam 1 and Vietnam 2 (Sorry, Iraq) Remember, that within four years, Bush will be no longer in office, he will be celebrating parties with his rich cronnies while you will still be watching your people die in Irak.