Ron

Maybe Clinton didn't have a spine, and Bush wanted to wait as long as he could to see if it was right? Things change. Im done here, have fun with your lynch squad "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, if you are not willing to provide proof why should I listen? You are the ones trying to hang bush without a trial. Im done here.. you will not wait for proof before trying to get a firing squad. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And if it would have killed you I would have said thats too bad, but it happens when a reserve is not deployed as it is designed. An AAd is NOT designed for the jumper to pull a main at 1,000 feet. Ok, I bet they were not designed to be around high power radar either. If I recall Racer tells you to release it...This jumper did not. He didn't do as it was designed. And he is dead...you are proving my point here Bill. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well, you guys don't wait, why should I "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well if your not going to believe him, why should I belive you???? Besides you claim it as proof, but will not show any... He had some, and showed it to Congress....Congress agreed as well. UN agreed that SH had some. They showed what they had, and evryone said they thought it was true...some wanted more. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And if you are not willing to show PROOF, I would rather just assume you are lying. Why? Im sure this was not a snap choice, and Im willing to bet he didn't throw dice or trust a Magic 8 ball. People are calling Bush Jr a war monger...But I didn't go more times than I did. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Funny I did most of these things with one of Mikes kids.... So maybe it does not work that well....In fact I had not been around drugs till I was at a DZ..... I have many good stories about drugs and all kinds of illegal stuff. All from DZ's. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Not having a rig makes a big diff also with ff in a tunnel. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ya got proof? With dates and other cool stuff? I swore to up hold the Lawful orders of the CIC and the officers above me....So far he is legal. I was active...3 years 82 Airborne. In the Infantry. I was never called to fight. I was locked and loaded, but the trigger was never pulled. And this was under Bush Jr. So much for the war monger huh? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Again lefty..PROVE that he sent them for adventurism and greed. You can't. You just like saying it. why don't you take this same tone with Bush then...It was that way back then???? Its called a double standard, and lady..you are full of them. For your info, I got a BJ Saturday. But I didn't lie about it under oath. Again PROVE he lied...not just throw up smoke and mirrors...As soon as you SHOW PROOF, and not just lie...We can talk. Until then you are just a lefty crying since you didn't get your way. A Clinton hugger saying that?????!?!?!? THATS IRONY folks..... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then we were wrong....See its not hard to admit you are wrong...You should give it a try sometime Bill. If there are no WMD's in Iraq...Then I was wrong to believe the Intel community and our President. But like I have said, he has better intel than me..Im not getting hourly reports from the CIA, NSA, FBI...and other alphabet companies. He is, last I check you are not either. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

From that same website So is it possible he just had bad intel? But then again thats not as fun as bashing him is it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So reserves are designed to be deployed by people who are behind you on accident? Not by someone else who is doing it from behind the rig following it out. Thats not safe. Sure as long as you eliminate the RSL accidents that were not used as designed....Find some, I'll wait. But it was taken out of the operation parameters.....You are not supposed to take it to 1000 feet. So you can't count fires due to low pulls. The RSL accidents they were used just as intended...See the difference. I have a cut away, and the riser breaks and the RSL fires the reserve into the main killing me....I did nothing wrong. I like a jackass pull at 1,000 feet and my CYPRES fires...Well it was not intended to be used like that now was it? A reserve being fired while I am head down going faster than it is designed to be operated in and it blows up...Its not the reserves fault. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep, I din't call him a liar till it was proven. I didn't consider him to be without morals till he proved it. Notice I don't slam his economic policies? Some of them were good. but you don't seem to be able to do the same for anyone. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nope, but Im not going to say bull shit like he lied...When I have no proof. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I am for the death penalty....I was in the Army..I didn't have to kill anyone, and I would rather not have to...I would if I had to, but I was never asked to. Is it so hard for you to even think he just got fed bad intel? Like a computer...GIGO. Garbage in, Garbage out. If he had bad intel he would make bad choices...And we don't have all the information he did have. I'm not going to call fo his head on a stick til I KNOW he did something wrong. FOR HIS NAME?!?!?!? What the fuck is that? Last time I checked they were fighting for the US not GWB. The oath I took did'nt say kill on command to make someone look good. It said to fight to defend the US. Sending people to fight for the US is not about your name...Besides the press has been bad, so if I were going to try to be a popular prez...I would not send folks to fight. Duh! Im pro gun, pro death penalty, pro war on terroism...But I have not had to kill anyone...Does that mean Im a bad person since I have not taken a life with my own hands for my beliefs? I was in the Army..they never asked me to kill. I would have if called. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I doubt you would go anyway. You would hide in school. And I think he does...so we will vote on it huh? Show me ONE post where I have said anything against these men? ONE!!!! Simple, you will not find any. See you think you know me, but you don't. I make bad choices based of bad info...But I don't make shit up. I wait and look for facts before I open my mouth. Bad intel equal bad choices....You don't KNOW he lied...I don't know he DIDN't I wait for proof before saying he lied. And its not over yet is it? We may find some, we may find out our intel community was stupid, or we may find someone lied...THEN I will want someones head to roll...Not before. And I will not just pick Bush to be the scapegoat... You seem to just want his head. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You still don't have his intel...you might be smarter...But if you have bad info...you will make bad choices. GIGO. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Damn it John...PROVE they were fabricated....You can't..But if it is shown that he KNEW the reports were false I will want his head as well...Just like I wanted Clinton's for lying under oath. I was in the military Intel is sometimes bad....Not everything is Black and white. Bush AGAIN had bad intel...Unless you can PROVE he knew it was false it was not a lie. From Critical Thinking: Facts can be wrong. He may have been told that there were Nuclear weapons...They may have thought that there were...They could be wrong. They could have fed him bad intel....He may have taken those FACTS, and repeated them. That is not lying...that is being wrong. If he didn't know otherwise he didn't LIE....He was wrong. If he was wrong its because the folks that fed him intel were wrong, or lied...And thats why there is an investigation... So John, unless you KNOW he knew...He didn't lie. And if you do know, Id like to know how you knew. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Who says I don't question him? I just give him the benefit of the doubt untill PROVEN wrong...I don't go on witch hunts....I didn't with Clinton either. I don't....you seem to.. I give folks the benefit of the doubt. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Lots of famous folks get cushy assignmets. Happens ALL the time. I don't blame him for taking it, and I don't blame his Dad for pulling strings if he did...If I had a kid and I could get him a cush job...I would. MAY have...not DID...We don't really know..However we do know that thousands of others just didn't serve at all...Since I have no PROOF...I don't say he did. Who said he was "pro Killing"..you have a quote from him about loving the idea of being in a war? you have video of him jacking off to the war reports? As the CIC...sometimes you have to send folks to fight for the country...if the intel he had was wrong..Then the folks that gave him that intel should be held accountable....If he lied and KNEW that there were no WMD's...Then HE should be held accountable. But you have no PROOF of either..So for now I will support his choice to defend the country as he sees fit..Since he gets much better intel breifings than you or I. As for him not wanting to go to war...Hell NO ONE wants to go to war. Bush has some honor...Clinton never did. Bush has screwed up and admited it..Clinton lied about it. Bush belives in a strong America...Clinton didn't. Bush is in a bad place...He is a President that had to send troops to war....That has to suck, and I don't think he enjoys it...But I think it was needed, and Im glad he didn't buckle like Clinton would have...And if Bush screwed up...He will admit it, not ask for definitions of "IS", and then just flat out lie. Given the choice I will give him the benefit of the doubt...If he was criminal in his actions...I will be after his head with you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well since I will still be paying taxes in 2009...I'll still be paying for the goverment..And since I don't have kids...Well I guess I'll still be paying fo it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

#1 He is the Commander in Chief....Thats what they do. They have to send people to die at times. I don't see you in the Army...The will take you. Sign up, go to Iraq...theres plenty of killing left to do..Hurry up now.. Its called 11B Infantry. Hurry up now...What you don't want to die for your country?????...NO ONE DOES!!! He didn't, but at least he served...you have the luxury of not even being in the National Guard. He at least DID something...You have not, Clinton did not. You act like he gets his jollies by sending Americans to fight....You can't even for a second think he MIGHT be doing what he thought was best for the country based off of the intel he had at the time. Fact: Bush did serve. Clinton dogged the draft. Fact: Bush said the intel pointed to WMD in Iraq...So far that proves to be false. But you and I both don't know he KNEW they were not there. Clinton LIED under oath. Both have had black spots from their past...Bush seems to own up to them. Clinton just lied about them and denyed them. And you don't have any PROOF that Bush knew there were no WMD's in Iraq. We have PROOF Clinton lied. Any questions? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Bill read again...worked as INTENDED... Was the reserve designed to be pulled in the plane? Is this part of the TSO process? Nope....This is not used AS DESIGNED...It was an accident. This was also not AS DESIGNED....It was an accident. again taken out of the operating parameters...It did not misfire...It was not designed to be taken low..Again an ACCIDENT. At the wrong time being key...Not being operated as designed was it? Well, if you are above the speed that it is designed for its not as designed now is it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Now available for the first time... The Democratic plan to wealth. 1. Kick back and let someone else pay for your stuff. Don't worry about the cost...We have programs to pay for all of it. Don't worry about making something of yourself, let others do it for themselves AND you. Act now, and we will throw in a set of steak knives made in America at 4 times the cost..Unlike other plans where they want to have you pay $999.00 for set like this we will charge you $4,000.00...sure they cost more and are not as good, but we have to get more money so our companies can pay high taxes so we can just give it away. Both sides have issues. I'd rather have folks work to make a better life for themselves....Not others. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334