Ron

No, if he was listening to the police and following orders then he should not be beaten up... However, most times these stories are very slanted. Most don't show how the guy was fighting back.... One in LA a guy grabbed an officers "Package" so he hit him...the headline was "Officer hits suspect", not "Police Officer defends himself from attack." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I think its very relevent....I mean how can you complain about a way a person does something if you really don't know how hard that situation is? I'd like to see the biggest anti police people ride along WITH thye cops to see hwat they do everyday...And I'd like to see them try and contain a violent person trying neat "tricks" they have read about in a book. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I was looking for a site of where an electric Nissan 300 smoked the doors off a production Nissan 300z I found an artical on an electric Lotus that will beat a production Lotus to 90MPH....So I'm gonna use that. But thanks. The spin I am taking is that Electrics and even hybrids while being "green" are NOT economic yet. Civic Hybrid 46/51 MPG 19,650.00 MSRP -1,500.00 Tax Rebate =18,150.00 Civic Coupe 32/38 MPG 13,410.00 Avg of 20,000 miles a year. Hybrid 434 Gallons per year @ $1.85 =$802.90 per year Traditional 625 Gallons per year @ $1.85 = $1,156.25 per year $353.35 per year less to drive the Hybrid However, with the added cost of the Hybrid (4,740.00) it would take 13.4 years for the cost to be the same. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, but I don't get it either way. Also people don't bitch about having to get screened to get on a plane...But they will bitch about getting screened to get on a train? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Easy to arm chair QB things huh? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have a new sig line!!!!!! As long as its legal. I don't think we want the KKK hanging blacks do we? Or a group of people (even if they are the majority) discriminating against race sex, or religion? So while Public opinion is a PART of the checks and balances....It still has to be legal. Agreed, you can vote against things you don't like, and vote for things you do like...You can also LEGALLY protest things, or support things if you wish. Thats part of the gov't by the people for the people. Then the system worked right? I have faith that any unjust rules will go away, and only the just ones will stay. But to protest against one form of personal freedom (Like my right to carry a legal weapon) while lamenting the legal search of people on a public transportation system is ironic. And it shows a serious lack of a foundation. How can a person be against anothers right to carry a weapon legally, and also against the right for the police to legally search someone? If you were all about personal freedom then you would support my right to carry a weapon and be against the right for the police to search me. But many times you are against the police right to search someone, AND against my personal right to carry a weapon....It just does not hold water. I'm for the right for you to carry a weapon as long as its legal, and FOR the right for the police to search us as long as its legal. Oh no, please make a stink....But stay on topic...you either are FOR personal rights, or against them...You can't pick and choose the rights that are OK. You are FOR personal freedoms even if you don't agree with them...Or you are against them even if you agree. Me? I am FOR personal freedoms till they endanger others...So you can carry a gun, but its OK for the police to search you. You can drink till you are stupid...But you had better not get behind the wheel. You can engauge in any sexual acts you want as long as the other person is legal, and consenting....If its a minor, or its rape then your ass is grass. Everyday I have to have my bag Xrayed and go through a metal detector to get to my desk....I'm OK with that. If I was not, I could go get another job...If I am not OK with getting hit with a random search, then I could not take the train. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure....But I would also expect that nothing be done to him just as nothing was done to Clinton for lying under oath. But I DO see a difference between a 30 year old DUI and a guy lying WHILE President... BTW for you SAME SITE "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

G62 (overpowered I know) Thats a hard question. At some point the ability to do as you please has to be tempered. Otherwise murder would be ok. The question is not IF some personal liberties should be sacrificed....But the real question is WHAT is acceptable loss. It seems that most people are OK with any amount, and others seem to not be OK with any amount. The problem is that to be a member of society SOME MUST be given up for the greater good of all. The really funny thing I see is that some bitch about people having to give up certain personal liberties (Such as the right for subway cops to stop and search you) but want to limit other rights (Such as the right to carry a personal weapon). In my opinion if you are against one type and for another...You are being hypocritical. I am OK with just about any amount of infringment as long as its been approved as legal. I have faith that the system of checks and balances in this country will keep the most zelous ideas from comming to pass. At some point that may prove wrong...But until then I will give the system the benefit of the doubt. As for your model rockets....Well I think that some regulation would be needed....Such as getting a permit to allow you to use them. What is the limit? Can you NOT have them, or has it been made hard to get them? Like I said it should be easy to show that a Physics Professor that has been involved in model aviation for 20+ years has a reason to want a big honking model rocket engine. It would be less easy to show why a guy with no model rocket experience suddenly wants the most powerful engine he can get. The question is what level is OK. Unless you think there should be NO limits at all...Then 12 year olds should to allowed to drink, and parents should be allowed to beat their children. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

To me it says TONS about a cannidate that is pandering to FELONS for votes. Also ACT is wrong to allow felons to gather personal information on people. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nope, but flying a 1.1 loaded canopy does give you some idea of how a 1.2 loaded canopy will fly...Just as a 1.4 will teach you loads about a 1.5. Flying a 1.1 will not teach you much about a 1.6.....But right now people are allowed to do just that...Go from a 1.1 to a 1.6. So a regulation would make people get experience or show enough skill that they can handle a higher WL before they could downsize... And THAT is the key. Jumps numebers ARE fair...We already use them for such things as pull altitudes, ratings...ect. and it is even MORE fair if we have atest that lets you go faster than the "norm" It would be basicly saying :"You think you are so good....? Put up or shut up!" As for not being popular...fuck that... Pull altitudes were VERY unpoplular when they came out...Now how many people do you hear bitch about them? They saved lives. Nope it would not be fair...Thats why you would have to Grandfather the current group. But just like rasing the drinking age on a guy that was 17 and 364 days, while letting a guy that was 18 still drink was not fair. It was still the best way to handle it. You should not take away a persons right once they have it and make them buy new gear. But the kid right now in AFF...He would not ever know any different. Just like you don't bitch about having to pull at 2 grand. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep, what I don't understand is how is that so hard? I can think of two very big occasions where you mentored me...And I listend like my life depended on it....well it did. 1. You gave me my first HP canopy class...I had around 150 jumps and you let me jump a BT50 (A 150? sqft elliptical from France). You made me pull at 6 and drilled it into me not to turn low. 2. Doug Wolf and I were doing a Mr. Bill. I had planned on standing on his shoulders and just throwing out my pilot chute and having the canopy pull me off of him....I asked you and you said "I think thats a bad idea. You most likley will have a mal." I thought it was a great idea, and so did Doug...But I didn't do it since you thought it was a bad idea. Looking back man was that a stupid idea, but I didn't know it was stupid then. In fact, I still thought it was a great idea, but since you didn't I didn't do it. NOW I know it was stupid. Thanks for not letting me kill myself...And you never hurt my ego. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And whats your problem having a slower standard progression that only the people that are able to pass a test are able to exceed? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Hey Bill, I am doing a paper on gas, and usage. I remember seeing somewhere an electric car smoking the doors off of a Nissan 300Z..But I can't find any info about it.. Do you know where I can find a reliable source for showing an electric cars power and speed potential? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I take the 5th. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I should be there "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How about a NSFW???? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Uh, if I am arrested for jaywalking vs Murder...There is a big difference. Back 25 years ago, a DUI was not a big deal. A slap on the wrist...I knew several people that had them. Today it is a much bigger deal. Clinton lied under oath. So we have a guy that is the President of the United States lying under oath about doing something that was not a big deal...What other things that were a big deal would he lie about? We have a guy that 25 years ago got a DUI....He served his time and has since not had another problem. We have a third guy that admitted to commiting war crimes, and letting war crimes happen while he watched. Out of the three.....I'll go with the guy with the 25 year old DUI. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You going to be at the next NSL? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sharpchutter Startrac 1 Velo 96 I weigh 160 pounds. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Hey, lets not bash toy airplanes...I have 11 of them. My latest is a biplane with a 68" wingspan and it weighs about 18 pounds and spins an 22 inch propeller using a 5hp gas motor... Toy planes are cool. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, Ihave had the perfect situation.... Then all hell broke loose. It has happened before, and it will happen again. Read Frost's "Nothing Gold can Stay" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Training: DeLand Fun: Zhills Best facilities: Chicago "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I don't see it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And you are to young to know that 20-30 years ago a DUI was no big deal....It is a big deal now, but when Bush got his it was not. Its not like he got one while he was in office. However, perjury has ALWAYS been a big deal. I could not care about the BJ...But I do care that he lied under oath. Also I am not holding Flowers against Clinton....I am holding his lying under oath against him...Something he did WHILE being the President...I am not holding a minior discretion that he did 25 years ago against him. Big difference. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334