Ron

It seems to me that both crap on the lower class really. If I am wrong please correct me. I would probley still go with Facism since you *might* be able to crawl up...Socialism I don't think that can happen. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure. Just cause we don't agree does not mean I don't like you... Well OK just cause I don't like you does not mean we can't be civil... OK, just cause we can't be civil does not mean we can't eat together...Does throwing food at you count as eating together? Ah screw it...Come to FL...I'll buy you dinner anyway "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well, given you earlier definition....I go with Fascism. I'm middle class and it would be best for me. Socalism does not work according to the defintion. People are NEVER equal and there will always be "haves" and "have not's". Even in Communisim it was not equal. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I know. I have MORE fun now that I have money in the bank and no debt. It's nice knowing I can go out to dinner with friends and pay the whole bill. It makes them happy. I'll admit I am fanatical about saving...I have been poor...I didn't like it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Living WITHIN your means? No, thats great. Living ABOVE your means? Thats stupid. Living BENEATH your means? Thats my plan. This way I don't worry about a sudden car repair...I just cut a check. I have lived poor. I have not had food to eat, rent was due and I was screwed. I choose never to live like that again. I researched ways to save money, and did. I looked into investments and saved. I spend PLENTY on toys, make 300 jumps a year, and SCUBA when ever I feel like it. As I said earlier in this thread that MY way...You are always free to choose your own path. Ask my friends....I don't want for much, for long. I have found having a savings account allows me to do what I want. I work everyday and get ahead, not work to dig myself out of a hole. I have a good life, and I sleep well knowing I can afford what I want/need. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Have a nice life. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You don't HAVE to pick one of the two. What happend in your little story? How did one of the two not get into power? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Just like your weak arguments don't satnd and you have to packpeddle? Im over it and over you and your pathetic claims. Have a nice life. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

why am I not surprized this came from you? You never did answer my question liar. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Gee I mention that I am saving like crazy...And you say that it would be stupid to die with a million in the bank....your right I don't know how I could see that as being directed at me...That and your history of attacking about anything I say... Funny you telling me to check MY ego...Sheesh Why not do both? I can afford to do anything I really want since I'm not eyeball deep in debt. I can buy almost anything I really want since I am not paying Credit Cards. I live how I like, make plenty of jumps, have nice things AND no debt and I have health insurance. That way If I screw up and break myself....I will not be screwed. Why not be RESPONSABLE and plan ahead in case you make it longer than sunset? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Not the site I was looking for however: http://www.strategypage.com/iraqlessonslearned/iraqwarlessonslearned.asp From the Gulf War: The artical also talks about the "Stoner" 7.62 version of the M-16..And the use off 77 grain bullets to add some punch to the standard 5.56 This is new info for me...I had not seen it yet. Maybe its more than 3-7 now. But I tend to believe the CAG guy (Of course that was 2001 s it could be dated info) Any way this artical also shows that we don't need that much range and the number of bullets is still important. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have free coverage through the VA (service connected disability greater than 50%). And my company offers me health insurance for like 20.00 a mth....So what the hell right? Excellent thats great!!!! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Gee why am I surprised you would disagree with me???? Oh, cause its you.... Well lets see you must have missed the part about me making 300 jumps a year for the past 11 years. Placeing in the Top 10 in Open at the nationals twice (only been twice) Demos into Stadiums..ect. I also drive a Mustang GT. Have a pilots liscense and about 10 hours of Arco time. Master rated SCUBA diver with well over 300 dives (and some really cool cave dives) So much for never having lived or taken chances huh? I'm just not stupid about it and have a future as well. But of course you will disagree....Im not surprized. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

CAG operator. After I asked him from something I heard on the History channel. For police: Shooting Distances From Sept 1854 to Dec 1979, 254 officers died from wounds received in an armed encounter. The shooting distance in 90% of those cases was less than 15 feet. Contact to 3 feet ... 34% 3 feet to 6 feet ...... 47% 6 feet to 15 feet ..... 9% The shooting distances where officers survived, remained almost the same during the SOP years (1970-1979), and for a random sampling of cases going back as far as 1929. 4,000 cases were reviewed. The shooting distance in 75% of those cases was less than 20 feet. Contact to 10 feet ... 51% 10 feet to 20 feet .... 24% I look for a website that is about the Army...But a CAG guy is a pretty damn good source to me... Other neato reading about street use can be found: http://www.iupa-fl.org/Articles/combat.htm About the number of rounds: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Hey stud...thats cause you never asked ME.... Peep this then apologize: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1187363#1187363 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But they don't have to....I mean you think its the states rights to recognize it or not right? So what happens when a gay couple goes to MO. to work? And they find out that they can't claim their partner on helth insurance? You say its the states right...but would it be OK for the state to say no? Why? I mean if its against the law in that state why should they let you do it? You could try and apply it...But that case will never happen so lets stick to the current situation. Should a state allow a union in that state if it is against the law in that state. I can't carry a gun in all 50 states even though I can in FL. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

As is BillVon...He lied about K.Weeks...Twisted information to fit his needs. You know Kerry (Well none of us know Kerry or what he stands for...Thats kinda the point) He is your hero remember...Hell, he should be EVERYONE hero...Im mean he is for and against everything. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No coment on that? How can I believe anything you say since you lied about Weeks? I mean you had good intel, but you twisted it to fit your needs. Ok but like I said a new engineer with a still wet degree is not someone I would want to trust either. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

1. I am not attacking anyone. I simply pointed out a few things and said that complaints can be useful. I also gave sugestions for improvement...as I would hope poeple would do for any event I held. I always tell my employees that they should feel free to bitch to me about things, but don't ever come to me with a gripe without also comming with a proposed solution. Simply saying "that sucked" is not good enough. 2. I was not there and I don't know it the 5 way you talk about was an organizer. It could have been some guy like me jumping with my buddies...That group may or may not be open for others to join. From what I have read: He even thought of a soultion I even did get on him and defend SDC when he said this: by saying: But you took it as an attack on SDC...Its not. You took me saying that you are not an organizer as an attack on you...Its not. You took me saying that SDC missed an opportunity to provide what they said they would have as an attack its not. I brought up some ideas, told him he was unrealistic in some of his ideas, asked two questions (Which were never answered). I DO understand. He was told that there would be an organizer at his level, and he didn't find one. If there was one no one told him who it was (and he did ask), or he could not find them (and he did look). If he had not asked I would have told him to stop crying and ask..but he did and he did not get an answer. Instead he was offered a different type of organizer (Which was way cool, and most would LOVE the oportunity, but it was not what he wanted or what he came for). I am sure Rook and Missy will make it so that it never happens again. But that does not mean they didn't screw up this time. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But you just claimed he did, now you don't know? Even when I gave you a report saying the information you had was incorrect. Are you LYING Bill? You flat out lied to me. (Sound familar?) And maybe if you had 20,000 hours instead of 250 would help? Given the choice of flying two planes: 1. Built by an engineer with the ink still wet on his degree, but with all the right classes and a good GPA. 2. Built by a guy with 40 years of flying experience and 20,000 hours and several good designs... I'll choose #2 thanks. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are denfeing the DZ and slamming him for not having a good time. Saying it is his fault when it is clear the DZ did not live up to the Ads. You are the one that keeps bringing up how you think its HIS fault he went to a boogie that didn't have what they said they would have and you are saying it's his fault he didn't have a good time. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And if he is scheduled to die next week and the cancer will not take him for two more years? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So he started school in 73, and got his degree, then designed and BUILT the plane in 4 years? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then : a. it took him a LONG time to finish the degree. Well hell its only 4 years...So he could have been in school when he did it. But thats not HAVING a degree now is it? b. He bragged c. His bio is wrong. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

none...The second Amendment says I can choose a third option. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334