Ron

Yes, there is a big difference. One person was actually shot. The other did a performance for shock value. The real idiot was the guy that actually choose to get shot. And then years later quit cause someone managed to scare him. The student is not the smartest tool in the shed, but the jackass that actually choose to get shot and then cry when someone else pulls a similar stunt is still the biggest moron. The professor is just trying to get attention. Let him quit. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

One of these jackass actually got shot for art, but quit over someone pretending to shoot himself? Anyone see the total BS there? It is OK for him to actually be shot for art, but thats where it ends... What a fuckstick. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

None of the above...However if he can (and did) hide a bunch of Migs in the middle of a desert...Ya think he could have hidden a couple of barrels or boxes of stuff? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But then they will not be able to tout about how bad it was and that it was wrong later after they did it. Then maybe they can throw the knives over a fence. But not their knives, maybe someone elses. Or in Kennedy fasion they could get away with it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I found the SkyVenture gloves seem to be from a better cut of leather and last longer. They seem to be thicker. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So I guess they are going to go infront of Congress and admit to it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Him, or us? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

This is what gets me... We have a bunch of smart but very young in the sport people saying that the older, much more experienced don't have a clue. I find that funny. Also for those that claim that a WL to jump number chart does not work. Then why is the Pull altitude BSR set on licenses? It is really set on jump numbers since there is not training to teach you how to pull low. Only EXPERIENCE. And that experience comes with jump numbers. For those that claim that we have no hard data....Right. We don't since the USPA has shown to be very bad when they have that data, and no one wants to give them that data. We see it on here as well..People get hurt and they don't want it broadcast. They don't waht their egos to be hurt. But I ask this...For those that think that we don't have enough data to make a good choice....Do you have a hook knife? If so, why? Statistics show that you will never need one. Other accidents show that even if you had one most will never use it. The number of jumps made where a hook knife is not needed FAR outweigh the ones where they were needed. Also the number of jumps where they were needed and actually used are even smaller. So why do you carry something that you really don't need? And most likley will not use if you needed it? Where are you facts to prove you need it? If you don't have the facts, maybe you should just get rid of the hook knife. Oh, and lets talk about helmets....The number of jumps made where a helmet is needed are so much smaller than the number where they are needed. Why do you wear a helmet? You guys just need to accept that there are no hard numbers and there will never be hard numbers (Unless the Government steps in). You also have to just accept that BSR's have always been written by those that know more about the sport and are based on trends. And the BSR's also work. These folks need to get over thier ego issues and accept that they don't know what they don't know. And that the others that have been in the sport for a bunch of years DO know more than them about the sport. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, you seem to be isulting people that don't buy into your "vision". A vision I might add that almost everyone at some point gets in their career. You instead ignore that and would rather insult people. See: You just can't accept that you are not the first with an idea. Like I said good luck, but I don't need some "visionary" to insult me when I don't agree with him. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Add MORE politics? This shows you have not been to many DZ's yet. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Great example....When the BSR came out people were pulling below 2 grand all the time. THATS WHY THERE WAS A BSR. Now its not cool to pull low. When I started people still thought it was cool to pull low. Over the past 10 years that has changed. The focus on saftey is one reason. A WL BSR might do the same thing....Take away the cool from high WL's. A's can't open where "D"s can "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

This is one thing I don't get. You can fly whatever you want once you prove it.... If you can do it then you will BE special ,and it will be proven beyond any doubt. You can fly that tiny canopy since you earned it. It does not get any bette than that. I think many who oppose this are afraid they are not all they think they are. And they are afraid they will just be normal and not special. Not all, but I think it is a fear of some. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Was not me....I have one. But, there are several folks that don't.... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Do us a favor, stay at home. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How many people do you know that are good knife throwers? The real world is not some spy flick where everyone knows how to use a kife correctly....BTW thorwing a knife is not the best way to employ one. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your point? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ah, so Guy and Norm did't know what they were doing....I see. You don't know your (as you say) "B" movie history. Wow More insults: So if we don't think your idea is the cats meow we are jaded? Oh gezze. Look you think I am a jaded, greedy ...whatever. I think you are a young, new skydiver that thinks he has THE "majic" idea that is gonna make skydivng popular.....Just like every other new skydiver. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Cite? Just because you believe it to be true does not make it true. While you are running a guy can be shooting at you. His range is lets say 50 feet. The range of a knife is about 3 feet. I can cover 3 feet faster than 50. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I wish I could take credit for it....But when Bill wrote it I loved it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh, they will ignore me just like you guys do to me now. Do I get a say in this? All this really proves is I understand BOTH sides. They don't even try. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

#1. no attachment. #2. EVERYONE was gonna have them by now. BTW the car you attached....Moulton B. Taylor created the first flying car in 1948. There is a guy building one now using a Lotus http://www.aerocar.com/ Attached is another flying car More history here http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/private/aerocar/info/info.htm#anchor2690349 Notice inspite of all the hype back then you can't go to the local dealer and fly one home today. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

We had the Vulture and Double Vulture where I used to jump. A Vulture was a two point 4 way from 2 grand. A Double Vulture was a 4 point 4 way from 3-4 grand. Edit: BTW, don't anyone do this....we were fucking stupid and thought we were bullet proof. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The Skyhook is the only RSL I would have.... I hate RSL's, but would get a Sky Hook on my next rig. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

check last mths Parachutist "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

As soon as I open I look for a place to land. If that is the DZ great, if not I look for the best place and I pick the one closest to the DZ. I also try not to fly above anything I don't want to land on. So if it looks like I *might* make it, I land out. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334