Ron

I think her parents are scum and Mike did the noble thing. Her parents wanted to keep her body around so THEY could feel better. Her parents are making money off of this. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No thanks...I mean why would I vote for him and then vote against him...That would make me Kerry "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wanna know the real pisser? I was in Miami for three days last week. I was there for work, but on Monday I was going to send a shot out to see if anyone wanted to get some food. But my Hotel's internet serivce was broken...So my lap top could not connect. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK so Tom is acting like an ass here. Oh I wish someone had asked him that. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wow you and I agree on something! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I can't believe you went there....... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Prove that. They wanted to keep her around for THEM, not her. Wrong. He was her HUSBAND. Like I said before that trumps "Parents" every time. You choose your spouse, not your parents. They also didn't start such BS claims till after he finally realized she was gone (7-8 years) and asked the judge if he could remove her feeding tube. The parents loved him till then. Only after he tried to carry out her last wishes did they start to slander him. Your opinion. I think her parents are a bunch of wacko's that would like to see her stuffed and mounted in their living room so they can feel better. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ok how would you feel if the roles were reversed? Lets say Mike wanted her to live, but the parents say they knew she would want to die... What would you say then? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Because the parents were acting like assholes for the last 7 years calling him a murderer, and a wife beater. If there were there it owuld have been a circus. Lots of yelling, name calling ect. Parents claim no, he claims yes. Mentioning the GF and the court has nothing to do with this. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He cared for 15 years...If he didn't care he could have left at anytime. You never gave me one reason he didn't leave when he was offered money to go. Then why would it matter if her parents are there? Simple answer..Her parents made his life miserable. Calling him a murderer, accusing him of abusing her, Accusing him of putting her in that condition. Frankly I would not let them in either. They were acting like assholes the entire time...They would have made a scene then as well. You never gave me one reason he stayed... I'll give you one. He loved her and he wanted to carry out her wishes. Her parents have already sold the names of those who contributed to this situation. Mike has done nothing of the sort. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your point was that spouses should not have the right to make these choices since they sometimes kill each other. A bad argument that fell very quickly. Wrong MS had all the info he needed. She told him. You may not agree with that, or that he had it, but it was clear that her parents did not have any proof to the contrary. Give me one reason he tried to ge her rehabilitated for 7 years? Give me one reason he didn't divorce Terri like her parents and others wanted...Even offered to PAY him to divorce her? ONE reason. As I said in another thread, I don't agree with that choice, but I understand it...Her parents had been a real pain in the fucking ass....going so far as to accuse Mike of abusing Terri and even causing her condition. What fucking crazy nutbags. I would not let then near her either, it would have been a bigger circus than it was...You know there were jugglers there right? She would hahve passed and instead of it being quite and peacful they would have been yelling and calling Mike a murderer. I'd rather she pass quietly if she was my wife. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Parents kill their children as well. Reference Andrea Yates. I guess her children wanted to die? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If you are not married the parents do get their say. Otherwise it is the person you CHOOSE to be with that gets to make the call. And that is the law and it is the right call. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He does. How is sticking around and being in legal fight after legal fight while people threaten to kill you and make accusations about you the easy way? The easy way would have been for him to divorce her LIKE PEOPLE OFFERED TO PAY HIM TO DO. But he held to his word with his wife. Once he knew she was gone...you would as well. He could not marry the new girl till either death, or divorce. Terri wanted death and if he divorced her she would not have been granted her wish. Mike did a good thing. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You choose your spouse. Or your parents could be wack jobs that wnat you to wear tin foil hats and eat only every other day only. Your parents may be religious nut jobs...That does not make you one. You choose who you want to marry. My father and mother are religious, my wife was not. I PICKED my wife, she knew what my wishes were. Wife trumps Parents. Thats part of being married. She told the husband and friends...Her parents did not accept that, but the courts did. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The law. Spouse beats Parents...And it should be that way. I had conversations with the woman I CHOOSE to be with that I did not have with my parents. Her parents wanted her around just so they could feel better...They never took her wishes into account. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You think any of this was EASY for him? Oh please "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If he had taken the easy way out she would have been kept around by her parents just to make them feel better...Just like a person who stuffs their dead pet. NOT what she wanted. Mike did the right thing. No, she was not alive. SHE was gone. What was left was nothing more than a bunch of organs with no person there. *She* was quite gone. He spent 15 years trying to carry out his wifes last wishes. 8-9 trying to rehabilitate her, and then the rest trying to perform his last duty to her. He finally realized that she was gone and never comming back...but her dumb ass parents just wanted to keep her around so THEY could feel better. Almost no one had one 15 years ago. In the State of FL all that is needed is a verbal agreement. Mike did the right thing, he tried like hell to bring her back. when it became clear that it was over he tried to perform his duty...All the time people called him all kinds of names and even death threats were made on him and his family. He could have taken the easy way out, but he stayed the course of his wifes wishes. Yes, he moved on, you would as well. How? Let her shoot someone and she will spend her life in jail or dead with you. Like it or not Spouse beats Mom in legal land. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You should expect to pay for a professionals time. When was the last time your dentist, mechanic, ect did something for free? Yes. Two slots 20 X 2 = 40 + fee.. Fees in FL range from 15-35 bucks a jump, or 100-200 bucks a DAY. I just did the AFF course and I had to pay 25 bucks a jump plus both slots. No. If a buddy will do it for free thats it your and their right. As long as the person is rated and current the DZO should not have a problem. I'd find another DZ to jump at. Here in Zhills bring all the students you want...We are glad to have them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There was no suffering. http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex.cfm?tbid=753&thePhoto=Today's&CatName=&CID= "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And Terri's wish was to not live in that state. Would you be OK if your Mom was not allowed to see you? See Terri didn't want to live that way. Mike did everything he could to try and bring her back for 9 years. When it was considered done and over, and she was considered "gone". He tried to carry out her wishes. Her family prevented him from doing it for 7 years. If your husband died would you never remarry or even date? Terri died that day 15 years ago. Mike fought for 9 years till he admitted she was gone...Then he moved on. No, the love and compassion was that he didn't just wash his hands of the issue when he realized that it was hopeless. He had plenty of opportunities to walk away. It would have been much easier for him to walk away. Hell, he was even offered money to walk away. But the real love for his wife was that he stayed, and fought to make sure her last wishes were carried out and not let her body lie there. He endured his wifes family calling him every name in the book, them blaming him for her condition. He and his family endured death threats, hate mail and being considered evil. He did all that because he loved his wife and wanted to carry out her wishes. THAT is love. Leaving her as a pile of organs just so her parents could keep her like some people have a taxidermist stuff a pet would have been the easy way. He loved her enough to endure all the BS so her wishes were carried out. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I don't blame him. I don't agree with it, but I can't blame him. They made his life hell, called him every name in the book, claimed he beat her, abused her, blamed him for her condition....ect. I think it would have been nice of him to let them see her, but I don't blame him for not letting them one bit. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Terri Schiavo. Dead. Today a few min ago. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Bill, care to provide your opinion on how this unit was switched from Pro to Tandem? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

For the jumper in question (who is the current World Champ in 4way)....14 jumps could be one DAY. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334