Ron

Look at your reserve cable....Even if you have a "pillow" you still have a metal handle. Metal will not fail. Plastic can. At least thats my reason...Bill Booth would be the guy to ask. What ever Bill says....over rules my opinion. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No Peep § 105.7 If you drink one beer, you ARE under the influence. That way not change the way you act, but you are under the influence. You can say all you want about "But it is only one beer". One little beer makes you under the influence...It may have no observable influence, but you ARE under the influence. Besides, read your waiver. From ours: Now CAN it been done? Yes of course. I have seen really drunk folks jumping , Seen stoned folks jumping, had tandems tell me AFTER the jump they had been drinking. But to knowingly let them jump after drinking is gonna bite you bad if something goes wrong. More It IS Illegal. It is a liability that will bite you in the ass. There is no reason to allow it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Reserve ripcords come out. They come out more than pillows. Same setup, but the weight of the metal D ring makes them come out more. Bill Booth one of the pioneers of the sport, AND THE INVENTOR OF THE THREE RING RELEASE gave you his reasons why a metal handle is bad. Simply put there is little to no preasure on the three rings if the parachute is not open. Just the weight of the handle is enough to pull the cable through the three rings causing the release of the canopy. I fail to see how anyone can disagree with the guy that INVENTED the three rigs *about the very product he invented* Three ring releases changed the sport. Bill knows what he is talking about. If you CHOOSE to trade one risk (The risk of your handle comming out at 200 MPH and the drag pulling your cables out and releasing your main forcing you to use your reserve). For the tiny reward of less drag (When you could easily make a pillow smaller, or use the plastic loop cutaway handle) Thats your choice...I think its a poor choice. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

1. I don't have a garage... 2. I would not hide any illegal aliens anyway. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

§ 91.17 a) No person may act or attempt to act as a crewmember of a civil aircraft— (1) Within 8 hours after the consumption of any alcoholic beverage; (2) While under the influence of alcohol; (3) While using any drug that affects the person's faculties in any way contrary to safety; or (4) While having .04 percent by weight or more alcohol in the blood. (b) Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft. 8 hours is what the FAA says for Pilot in Command...Anyone want to guess what they call a tandem master? Parachutist in Command. I would bet that the FAA would slam the shit out of you. And like I said before...The lawyers would tear you apart...Why risk it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You would also be breaking FAR § 91.17 and § 105.7 § 105.45 will bite you since it says you have to hold a master license and pass the manufactorers course: The BSRs: From the Relative workshop: You would also be VERY easy to sue if they got hurt. Judge: "Did you know they had been drinking?" You: "Yes" Judge: "thats against the law, against the rules of the USPA, Against the rules of the maker of the Tandem system, even listed in your OWN waiver" You: "Yeah" Judge: "You are toast dude" Bad idea. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There are a few people in this sport that I listen to without question. Bill Booth is one of them. If he says its a bad idea....Its a bad idea. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Whats wrong with that? OK but if they are working, paying the bills and want childern thats one thing. Having children while on welfare is another. Very few people are debt free. But most pay their bills. If you can't afford to pay your bills, you should not have kids. Nobody said they had to be rich. They said you should be able to afford them. Most people don't have 200,000 for a house, but they can still afford one. No offense, that does nothing for society. Again NOTHING for society. THOSE do contribute..Thanks. Thats you, and your case....think there are a few that have kids that are on welfare, and those kids grow up to be on welfare? Again your parents did right. they needed some help and they got it. But plenty of parents pop out kids and let the Government take care of them....Thats wrong. If you can't afford them, don't have them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If you take it personally....Anything can piss you off But the concept of not having kids if you can't afford them is VERY sound. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Why? People who cannot afford kids should not have them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Its to late for a ban almost anywhere. I can get a black market weapon pretty easy form any country. Guys in England sneak parachute equipment into England all the time. Drugs get in and out of countries all the time. No "Ban" works. Look like I said at drugs...Can't make it in X country? Get it smuggled in. England has guns all over...But the catch is only the crooks have them. And the US would still be under control of England. Many revolutions would not have happend and a good number of those did good. The French resistance would not have been able to fight the Germans....I could go on. Like I said if they exist anywhere, they will be everywhere...Look at drugs...Pot is illegal, but I saw some just Sunday. Yeah that worked well. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And was not his question already answered? And was not that answer pretty much like the other answer? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Pretty common at many small DZ's. Its one reason I like Smaller DZ's for students. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I did Ok enough to question him I think. More on your "Good Boy" Great Kid. And he DID go to Karachi, Pakistan looking to replace his passport. Nothing illegal about that, but add in how a guy just like him was named as a terrorist and HIS picture was found in an AQ safehouse..... Wow..You think this guy is INNOCENT? I will admit I'd like to see him at least have an attorney. But the current rules don't require it. No one will be there forever...In fact some of them have been released and then killed fighting US troops. No, I think it might be prudent So in the choice of letting him be and there being a risk (even you will admit that if you want to kill someone any old bat will do) I don't see the need to take away a guys gun, OTHER than making the anti-gun folks happy...Remember he could still kill her with a kitchen knife. so you support a domestic Violence accused guy having his weapons taken away. You support not allowing an accused terrorist a weapon, but you oppose holding someone who has a stack of evidence against him? I really don't follow that. This we agree. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Is that true? If so, thats kinda cool. Anyway, I realise you don't like gun threads....But you don't help any by doing this. If you don't like them feel free to stay out of them, or even the whole part of DZ.com known as SC. But posting neat (if true) however useless stuff is not anything but more noise. Why just add noise, why not just butt out? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The PA did no such thing. you say it did does not make it so. The PA was not the greatist piece of legislation passed, but BOTH sides voted for it...Even those that voted against it later. If you are innocent you are STILL innocent. I think its absurd to assume that I want to lock up innocent people...Show me where *I* locked someone up that was innocent, or where I said that we should lock up innocent people. I have no problem QUESTIONING someone...I have no problem WATCHING someone. But I never said to jail a suspect. So you only support some civil rights? That is only the ones that fit what you deem OK. What other right do you want to remove? Nope, I AGREE with a guy that was charged with Domestic Violence having his weapons taken away. Actually Id rather they not take them away. But, what would the liberals say if they didn't take it away and he killed his ex with it? They and YOU would be up in arms about it. Of course you would blame the weapon not the shooter The fact that this person had a hard time getting them back after he was PROVEN INNOCENT was BS. I like how you want to remove peoples rights when you don't like the rights in the first place. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

They were persecuted by the anti gun lobby in anti gun areas that allowed people to sue gun makers for criminals using a weapon to commit a crime. It would be as one other poster put it like suing the maker of a baseball bat for a murder that a bat was used as the weapon. That is wrong. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

http://www.skydiveratings.com/tandem.html#strong_rating Edit to add contact page: http://www.skydiveratings.com/contact.html "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, you were not. You were talking about guns in the US which is not involed with the story of a guy using a sword in Germany at all. You brought it up and tried to drag the US laws into it. You are just pissed cause your argument fell flat...Again. Well your statement was that guns are dangerous...more so than a sword and therefore should be illegal. OK, but there are MANY more dnagerous things than a gun...At least that what the FACTS say. But its not nearly as much fun to make a tire iron out to be evil... And I showed you how a Bomb and blunt force trauma kill more people than guns...But they are not as cool to make out as "EVIL"...so you stick to trying to make guns look bad.. Your arguments are weak, and I am bored of you. If you have a GOOD argument please bring it, but so far you have not brought anything up worth talking about anymore....Kinda the standard for you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You have proof it would be a blood bath? Or are you guessing? Is it normal in Germany for a guy to kill people in chuch with a sword? Its not here in the States. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Gu makers never claimed that their product when used correctly was "safe". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Its called thread drift...You will get used to it. After a question has been asked and answered these things happen. Part of DZ.com is not just information but fun. The information has been given (And BTW a seach would ahve shown this same type of question has been asked several times.) Such as http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1562260#1562260 Expect drift anytime a question has been answered and the thread has ended its usefulness. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wow you and I agree. However in this case no one is claiming that a Gun will not kill if used correctly. Tabacco made claims that cigarettes were SAFE when used correctly, and all the time they KNEW better. But yes it boils down to the guy that lit the cig who is at fault...Just like the guy that pulls the trigger is a t fault, not the gun. Some don't get that...Im surprised you did. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Because they were brought into it by special exemption. No it would be type...Tabacco was found to be liable and they are MUCH bigger than gun makers. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Again, OK city bombing, WTC #1 and #2, USS Cole...ect no guns, lots of death. #1 cause of Death in the US is BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA, not gunshot. So the tool of choice for the most killing is a heavy object. The tool of choice for mass killings seems to be a bomb. Sorry the facts don't jive with your agenda. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334