Ron

Yes, he knows exactly what he is doing. He has an agenda and is doing everything in his power to push it forward. He ran a great campaign. He used buzz words people liked and generalities people could understand and get behind. He is so smooth it does not matter that in many cases he is doing the exact same thing Bush did... It is OK now, since Obama is doing it. He knows exactly what he is doing.... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

They handed it to me. Or you could go with that the comp was in January and: January *is* winter, and January starts the new calendar year. Thus, January 2009 would be Winter 2009, as would Dec 2009 if held after the 20th. The kind that are drawings on a trophy? Well you might want to ask the organizers.... I just shoot... And win. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

As is anyone that makes an SBR. If you start from scratch, you are manufacturing a weapon... If you take an existing Title I and make it a Title II, you have MANUFACTURED a Title II weapon. You would not need to do anything to an existing Title II weapon. MG's do not fall under the rules for barrel length, if it is already a Title II SBR then there is no issue. A rifle is not ever going to be a Destructive device nor an SBS, and it is not going to become a suppressor either. You need to re-read the letter from the Chief of the NFA branch of the ATF that I posted. He spells it out quite clearly that you are 100% wrong. You need to read up on § 479.102 Pretty much spells it out in plain English that you are wrong. How about a letter from Kenneth Houchens, Chief, National Firearms Act Branch? You know, the one I included that said you have to put the makers information on the weapon? Of course, you still think your "two Feds and an ATFE agent" trumps the Chief of National Firearms Act Branch.... But I'd go a different route. § 479.102... Is the chapter and verse you don't know. Maybe, but that is not the only wrong information you have given out in this thread. Wanna recap? Total and utter complete BullShit, and I proved it. Maybe you did mistakenly type a 1 instead of a 4... But who knows, the rest of your information was also inaccurate. The same reason you felt like adding, "Even other items such as Machine Guns and DD may be transferred if the proper paperwork is received." I suppose. And I bet someone reading this DID learn something new. Here is a hint, the totally wrong information in your posts says otherwise... At least when it comes to Title II items anyway. Those that know what I look like will clearly see me in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vopYDdRSDoA And I have attached a little something that shows I know a bit about Class III items as well. Still waiting for you to back up your claims with something other than your, "two Feds and an ATFE agent".... Cause in my world, the actual law and a signed letter from the Chief of the NFA Branch trumps your "two Feds and an ATFE agent". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And that is what the first letter said. The second said that the first letter (and the first BATFE guy) was wrong... Did you even bother to read the letters and check the dates? Plus, you said, "Plus if you ask them a question they will give you the answer." They gave an answer to the SBR question and I provided a copy of that letter... Yet you do not agree with it. So is the Chief of the NFA branch of the BATFE right, or you? Wrong, It is still 100% transferable on a Form 4. Better not tell this guy: http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46537 WTS:$2195 Bobcat Weapons BW5 (HK94 clone) Short Barrel Rifle. Three lug barrel, A2 fixed stock, SEF plastic trigger housing. I manufactured the SBR so it has my name/info professionally engraved by Tom Sawyer when he was still in business. I know Bobcat has a crappy reputation but this rifle runs 100% with WWB/cheapo ammo and I'll back it with a 100% money back guarantee if not exactly as described. Buyer pays actual shipping, full payment required to start transfer on a Form 4. Wrong, Form 4 is all the new owner needs to fill out (technically a 5320.4). Form 1 is for making. (5320.1) Form 2 is for making or importing for dealers. (5320.2) Form 3 is for transfer between dealers. Form 4 is for transfer to individuals. Form 9 (I think) is for export Form 10 is for LEA's. 5320.20 is for transfer across state lines. MG's may only be transferred between dealers (SOT's) or LEA's unless they are registered and made prior to 1986. Civilians may only own a MG is if was made prior to 1986 AND it is currently one of the 250k that are supposed to be registered. It is pretty clear you have zero knowledge of NFA laws. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

True, I met him when he was a Senator. I like the guy. His answer to the NFA question in the debates was great! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And that answer may not be correct! RPB has a letter from ATF stating that the M10 semi-auto Open Bolt pistol they designed in 1977 is a Title I firearm. Problem is, they also have a letter dated 5 years later, stating that the exact same firearm is a Title II firearm. Also a guy asked the ATF if he had to engrave his data on SBR'ing an HK.... He got a verbal and a letter saying *nope* Feb 21, 2006. He then got another letter Feb 26, 2006 saying they were wrong. I have attached both letters They have also approved invalid trusts... Making the owner a felon. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Quicken willmaker will allow you to set up a living trust for a few bucks. I know plenty that have gone this route. A better choice is to use a lawyer, IMO. www.HoustonAttorney.org He comes highly recommended and will prevent some of the hassles you might run into. For example: http://blog.princelaw.com/2009/4/20/batfe-approves-u-invalid-u-trust The only reason to use a trust IMO is: 1. Avoid the LEO signature (should not be a problem for you, was never a problem for me). 2. You can put others on your trust and they can borrow the weapon without you. I could put my fiance on the trust and she would be allowed the combination to the safe where I store them. My next NFA purchase will be on a trust, but my three current ones are not. A silencer is its own entity. You can have one and put it on as many weapons as you want. Oh so it is EXACTLY like DZ.com! PM me if you want more details or have questions. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You can add a person to your trust as an officer and they can use the weapon as well. You already mentioned this sorta... But it is not that big of a deal to add another person. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Actually, he just asked what he stood for, maybe he just does not know? The OP didn't state that Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Thompson, Bono, or Gandy should be in office either. YOU went with the whole Dem V Repub thing. Maybe he thinks ALL actors are a bad choice? Maybe he just wants to know more about Franken? Simmer down. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Lets not forget the Egyptians... They owe all the Jews. Oh, and the English... They owe all the commoners that worked the land. I may get a paycheck out of this yet! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

#1. I am not three. Stop acting like it. #2. That was my point all along... you are just being difficult to be difficult. See #2 above. Maybe you should reread all my posts twice before you jump to a conclusion next time? And the fact that others have said you are doing it should say something..... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

YOU are claiming something, not me... YOU are getting preachy, not me. Prove YOUR statements, or treat them like opinion, not fact. Quit making up facts. No, but the sound of a round cambering always did get MY attention... I am sure it works for others. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You clearly didn't bother to read my reply. Again, you clearly didn't bother to actually read my post. How is flashing a picture of a mal and expecting them to react correctly biased? They either know the material or they don't. You wouldn't let them jump... Good for you!!! Now you are just as guilty as the rest. Nope, cause they would pass the test I suggested. Again, it is clear you didn't bother to read my post. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Got it... you don't have any proof, just opinion. More BS... I was a soldier, know tons of cops, have relatives that were Feds. Back up your claims, or get off your high horse. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And if that general intelligence test was required knowledge.... then it is not a biased test. And you would let them just because they didn't understand due to them not speaking English? Besides... you are changing the example... TWO, not three groups, each with its own instructor. You are unable to show how a job skills test can hold a bias... That is without reaching back into the distant past. For your argument to be relevant... You would need a real world example that held a bias on a job skill of a group that is supposed to have that job skill.... You have failed to provide that. There is no doubt that in the past there have been issues... But you are unable to show how being of one race is a disadvantage on a job skill test. Rules and procedures are rules and procedures no matter what color you are. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How about you prove the danger before you deny a right in the Constitution? Otherwise why don't we gag everyone going to see a movie since they *could* yell fire and cause a problem. Well, then lets just add breath interlock devices and make them standard on all new cars? I mean you have claimed that we can't be trusted not to drink and drive, right? Or maybe you could only pass laws that are going to fix real problems maybe? No, but you clearly do oppose the right for a CCW holder to go places that as of yet have not been shown to be a problem. Like I said, how about we only take away rights when we can PROVE it will fix a problem... Not just out of blind fear. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It does not matter, if the test was to perform a job that those skills were needed, it would be a good test. And if you had to two instructors teaching a FJC to two groups of people that speak different languages and at the end of the FJC you held up a picture of a line over.... Don't you think both groups of students should be able to respond correctly or not be allowed to jump? Or do you think only one set should have to answer correctly and jump both groups anyway? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The two signs are: 1. A red 51% sign. 2. The 30.06 sign It must say: "PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN." It must be in ENGLISH and SPANISH. It must be at least one inch tall in contrasting colors. It must be readily visible Anything else, and you can carry all day. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Why? It is already illegal to drink and carry. All you are really doing is limiting a persons right to self defense. And what parts of the 1st, 3rd, 4th,...ect are you willing to compromise on? Or be the designated driver, or listen to the band, or pick up drunk chicks, or play pool, or go see a game with friends..... LOTS of reasons to go to a bar other than drink. Except they already ARE held to a higher standard. How about you only regulate the areas that are shown to be a problem and not throw blanket fixes out of irrational fear? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But that's not *race*. It would be like asking a whuffo which handle cuts away the main... they are not going to be able to answer. But a first jump student should know no matter what color they are. If they don't, then they should not be allowed to jump no matter what color they are. It is not like we should allow one race to be wrong and still be allowed to jump just because the color of their skin. Unless you wish to claim that the FJC has a racial bias? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I don't see any harm. You would not be allowed to drink, and open carry would not be allowed. So no one would know you have a weapon, and you are not allowed to drink... If you trust anyone to carry, you should trust them to carry almost anywhere. No more than just being there, IMO. People keep claiming that CCW will bring blood into the streets....Yet they keep being proven wrong. I suspect this is another example. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I know you said "Auto"... But there are many reasons not to get an Auto. I went out doing a sporting clays competition the other day... I had the trusty Silver Pigeon II and my buddy had a Beretta 391. I saw a bunch of autos jam to include my buddies. He missed a lot of follow up shots with jams. Unless you are going to train, a pump is easier if it mals. If the Auto does not fire you have to find and rack the action... With a pump, your hand is on it already. So, IMO for SD, the pump wins unless you are going to train a bunch. Now, I have two SD shotguns... A Rem 870 Synthetic in 20GA http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_express_synthetic_7-round.asp And a Mossberg persuader 500 in 12GA. This might be perfect for you: http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model_870/model_870_express_jr.asp Again, you didn't want a pump... But a Pump is not a bad choice. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Please provide the evidence you mention. It tells them where you are standing... But it also says you ARE ready. And any unarmed fool is not about to be so stupid as to rush towards the sound of a racking chamber. But please, provide the PROOF of your claim. I'd like to see it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

When you consider the Declaration is about the now and the future, not just the past...then it makes tons more sense. If, however, you are stuck on some revenge kick and want something for nothing... Your stance makes perfect sense. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Found some info on the GA case: After passage of the FOPA, a law-abiding Georgian named Farmer applied for the registration of a fully-automatic firearm manufactured after May 19, 1986, but his application was rejected by BATF. Farmer contended that BATF`s interpretation of the measure as a prohibition on possession of fully-automatic firearms manufactured after May 19, 1986 was incorrect, since the law exempted fully-automatic firearms newly-manufactured under the authority of the United States, thus it would exempt firearms approved for registration by BATF. Farmer also questioned whether Congress had the power, under the Constitution, to ban the mere possession of a type of firearm and whether the exercise of any such power would violate the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The U.S. District Court of the Northern District of Georgia ruled in Farmer`s favor. On appeal by the federal government, the Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit reversed the decision with respect to BATF`s interpretation, but did not rule on the constitutional issues raised. The NRA`s Firearms Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund asked the Supreme Court of the United States to review the case. The Court declined, as it does the vast majority of cases. Thus the decision stands in the Eleventh Circuit, which encompasses Alabama, Florida and Georgia. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334