Ron

FAIL!!!!! Fact is that the majority of patrons don't have a problem with using the glasses as weapons.... Yet the "Home Office" (GOVT) thinks that they are too dangerous. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe, but many people do blame an object for the actions of a person. Not my fault you didn't make your joke clear. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your personal definitions do not equal fact. Fact is they are moving towards capitalism and THAT is what is making them so powerful. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You have made many claims and never provided one shred of data or evidence to support it. I am only playing your own game by your own rules. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are a smart man... Use the search feature on your own. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

in case you missed it, China is moving towards capitalism and that is why they own so much US debt. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That is the type of logic that YOU use. And only online I might add. You seem MUCH more reasonable in person. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Without the insults, you might be fun to discuss things with. Lets try. I have not voted for a libertarian candidate in a presidential election since that vote would be pissed away in the larger scope. So, given the choice of a group I agree with 70% of the time vs a group I agree with 30% of the time... I vote the 70% when the group I agree with 90% of the time has no shot. And since Obama took office it has increased and is expected to increase over the next 10 years. and So, I would not give it all to your VODOO economic thought. Most are not prepared. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Violent people will do violent things...The solution is not to punish the majority that are innocent for the actions of the few that are violent. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And done it without insults. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No different than yours. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%. Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 90%. According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...LIBERTARIAN Except: I have no issue with National ID. I think that some form of welfare is needed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

When will the madness end? http://www.loweringthebar.net/2009/09/british-government-considers-mandating-plastic-pints.html Trying to control stabbings by banning knives that have a point on the end was bad enough. But this is really going too far. The BBC reported recently that the British Home Office is seeking a new design for pint glasses that it hopes may reduce the number of incidents in which people attack each other with pint glasses. According to official statistics, 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales. (Probably more in Scotland, though maybe they just use swords.) This public safety emergency has spurred the government into action, seeking a design that can't be used as a weapon. Assault With a Frothy Weapon Designers say they are considering two basic approaches: (1) plastic, or (2) something else. First, glasses could be made from plastic, or could be coated with it so that the glass would not shatter into sharp pieces if broken. Second, "[w]e could do something more radical," said one designer, "by looking at the whole shape and substance of the pint - we could come up with something that is completely different [from] glass." Seems a lot like the first approach, and it wasn't clear what he had in mind. But he continued: "Remember that years ago people used to drink out of pewter tankards. It could be quite a significant paradigm shift." That's a great idea - I'd much rather be clubbed to death with a pewter tankard. Not surprisingly, the British Beer and Pub Association is not in favor of the plan and does not want the new glasses to be mandatory. "For the drinker," said a BBPA representative, "the pint glass feels better, it has a nice weight and the drink coats the glass nicely. . . . Is it necessary to replace the much-loved pint glass for safety reasons in the vast majority of pubs where there is no problem?" Yes, said the Home Office Minister. "Innovative design has played an important role in driving down overall crime," he claimed, though it wasn't clear what innovative design he was referring to, maybe the knives. "This project will see those same skills applied to the dangerous and costly issue of alcohol-related crime and I am confident that it will lead to similar successes." This is one of those situations in which the tradeoff between safety and freedom is starkly presented. Requiring plastic pub glasses almost certainly would prevent some injuries. On the other hand, somebody who would otherwise be stabbing you with a broken pint glass is probably going to be enterprising enough to find something else, like maybe a pewter tankard, to attack you with. So in my view, the few injuries that might be prevented do not justify depriving millions of people of the much-loved pint glass. The Perfect Pint Glass to Kill Someone With After all, if preventing the maximum number of injuries is the goal, there are other areas that they should probably be more worried about. For example, according to The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents ("RoSPA") - and yes, there is such a thing - seven times as many people (40,000) are injured in pub accidents as are attacked there with current glassware. Maybe somebody should be trying to shift the bar-stool paradigm rather than tampering with the much-loved pint glass. In fact, the RoSPA has a great database of statistics as to how people get injured in the UK, and it seems like there is a lot we can learn from that in terms of priorities. For example: * In 2002, as many as 100,000 Britons required medical attention for injuries they sustained trying to assemble furniture. * 13,407 were injured in accidents involving "socks, tights or stockings." * High heels, including platform or wedge soles, were involved in 8,508 injuries. There are also a number of categories that each involve fewer injuries than are claimed for pint-glass attacks, but which cumulatively suggest that some sort of urgent action is needed in England. * Almost 1000 cases are recorded under the category "Cardigan sweater." What kind of accident involves a Cardigan sweater? Would making them out of plastic solve the problem? * The 943 cases of injury due to "fairground punch machines" are easier to understand. * The 656 cases involving "sex or marital aids": not so much. * Gravestone or headstone (as means of injury, not end result): 615. * Magnets: 308. * "Pie or tart": 205. * "Bullet" (presumably not fired from gun): also 205. * Chopstick: 82. * Snorkel: 41. * "Unspecified collapsible furniture": 21. * Finally, during 2001 there was an unexplained spike in the number of injuries involving capes (18). What are we doing to make our capes safer, people?! A RoSPA spokesman commented that the statistics are relative and that there may be perfectly good explanations for some of the odd ones. "It seems odd," he said, that "there are so many more accidents involving trousers [5310] than chainsaws [1148], but everyone has trousers and hardly anyone has chainsaws." I think that makes sense. Link: BBC NEWS | UK | Pubs warn over plastic pints plan Link: The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents Link: Scotsman.com "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And your position is also not supported by anything but anecdotal evidence.... So I guess it fails as well. And I have posted as much data as you ever have. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I guess you take "A stitch in time saves nine" to be gospel as well? And if you had to put two stitches or 10 then the idea is false? And I guess you will only be happy if no one pays any tax but gets 50k a year in govt pay? Lame Bill, really lame. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And mine is the same as rhaig, TomAiello, FallingOsh, lawrocket, champu, and others agree with me. Still too small of a data set to mean much... and you know that. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Did you see me say anything to the contrary? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The 89k in the upper right... Who made it and how do you like it? I just bought an SBR CA94. And am waiting for the paperwork. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

One person does not equal a data set, and you know that. I have found that people pay more attention to the coaching when they are paying something for it. I base that on being a FS coach for about 10 years. And having seen people almost ignore free coaching from myself and from others. My opinion is also just one person's.... But it is 100% different from yours. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, its not. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Religion. And the Govt should not be in marriage at all IMO. They should stay out of people's lives as much as possible. And you might ask why I am getting married... simple legal transfer of ownership... If I become a crater or drown in some cave, I want her to own everything without any BS. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Actually I am marrying that girl next mth. But the original point still stands. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Force http://www.uspanationals.com/WorldRecord2009-SpacelandForce-1.wmv "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Actually, it is a very good analogy. I pay more in taxes than you, but you get the same fire, police, and emergency services I get. I pay more, you pay less and we both get the same services. Same with the military, I pay more, but get the same protection that you do. It actually is a perfect analogy. You just refuse to admit it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That is the standard according to YOU, not everyone else. If you can't see that... then it is pretty clear you will not be able to stop it... and I have no desire to get into 3rd grade pissing contests. No, we were not FOUNDED on those... Quit trying to make up facts. Oh.... YOU can used biased sites and make up data, but I can only use cites YOU approve of? CRA for one. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334