Ron

It is crystal clear you would rather think you are perfect and argue than debate anything.... Your lame attempts to discredit people that don't' agree with you prove that. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your posts and posting history shows otherwise. So, you supported the SC and Chief Justice Roger B. Taney in the Dred Scott case then. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nonsense... your statements seem quite ready to blame the command. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then maybe your communication skills need work if it is not clearly apparent. Actually it does. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" So according to your logic a private company is free to fire any Muslim they want... After all it says CONGRESS, not everyone. So it does IN FACT have qualifiers. Most logical people read it as a specific limit on the Govt, but that does not automatically exclude any rights not listed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Her mother had also raised at least TWO other children. So, she knew the commitment. Plus how many people have the ability to take care of a child while at WORK???? *If* he actually said that, then he should be reprimanded. My thought is that he knew she was just trying to get out of a deployment by using the child as an excuse. Believe it or not, people have used kids to prevent from being deployed before, to the point of getting pregnant to avoid deployment. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Her mother RUNS A DAYCARE. She knew exactly how much trouble this would be. Now, I don't *know*... But this sure seems like just a tactic to prevent from being deployed. She should be removed from the service IMO... Nothing punitive, just separated. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, it is just something I do that I enjoy. It is a stress reliever, but nothing cosmic about it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Funny coming from you after that was a REPLY to you when you said: "Once again you misread what I wrote, but that is par for the course for you." Maybe YOU should stick to the topic and not try to bitch at me for doing the thing YOU just did???? Irony score 11 out of 10 Yes, care to answer it, or do you realize already that it would prove your point invalid? That some things that are protected are not SPECIFICALLY written in the US Constitution. Just as who you have sex with is not a GOVT issue and not in the Constitution, neither is the right to self defense, nor does it need to be. But the Constitution DOES have "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." It does not list ALL of the reasons such as sport, hunting, self defense... It only lists the ones that are in relation to the GOVT. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes. If you are talking about the standard conditions of carry, condition 2 (locked, loaded, hammer on a live round) is the most dangerous of all conditions. If you are discussing just these two (Condition one or three)... then you must also take into account the longer time to ready the weapon and the ability to screw it up when the SHTF. Plus, the OP was going to have it in a safe. IMO, that is plenty of time to "wake up". Personally, I keep it (G19 or Sig239) in a holster by the bed. The holster slows me down a bit, but I get the benefit of an extra round AND the protection of a trigger guard. As for keeping it away from kids... A Serious issue, but the OP was discussing a safe. If the kid is smart/able enough to get into the safe, then they are smart/able enough to rack a slide. And as long as you are willing to accept that...great. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Once again you claim that when you can't bring a logical discourse.... Par the course for you. Then you would support the Govt banning sex? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Guns don't just "go off". And that is the point. A slide is also simple to operate and disengaging a safety should be a deliberate act. Fine, show me a list of MODERN firearms that are known to" just fire" without the trigger being pulled. Yes, a 1886 colt without the hammer bar could fire if on a live round, but a Glock or 1911 is not just going to discharge. So when you are disoriented it is JUST as likely that you will forget to rack the slide and now are effectively unarmed. And you should know who you are dealing with BEFORE you point a loaded gun at them. And it puts you at the tactical DISADVANTAGE if he breaks in before you are awake and you cannot perform those functions.... So again, you are disarmed. You have a MUCH greater chance of surviving if you don't start 5-10 seconds after the other guy. This I agree with. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

AS I HAVE ALREADY STATED... .That is because the Constitution was about limiting or granting FEDERAL powers. The right to self defense was not related to the Govt. You don't see the right to keep and bear arms to hunt in there do you? You don't see the right to have sex in there do you? So since the right to have sex is not SPECIFICALLY listed... then you must agree that we don't have that right then? The right to self defense is a given, the right to hunt is a given.... Read the FF's words and prove otherwise. Edit to add: And the SC has agreed people have the right to self defense... Read Heller. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No matter what you call it... It does not change the fact it is a ban.... A Rose by any other name...... But you support it, and that speaks to how little you trust the troops. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And I already answered it. Self Defense was considered a non issue, a right that already existed and was so simple as to not need explanation, when you look at the writings of the FF's, this is easily supported. Additionally, the right to use a firearm for hunting was also assumed. Yet this use is not questioned???? The US Constitution was written trying to identify the powers and limitations of the GOVT. The right to keep and bear arms simply stated that the Govt would not have the right to outlaw weapons... And the perfunctory clause explained why it was an important in relation to the Govt. In essence, to keep it honest. Answered twice now. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

1. Adds an extra bullet to the capacity. 2. Any modern weapon poses no risk to having a round chambered provided you don't pull the trigger. Older weapons did pose a danger, but today's firearms don't fire unless you pull the trigger. 3. Adding a step in an emergency situation is normally a bad move. It would be like locking down the cutaway handle with a snap that you had to take off when you needed to cutaway. So, it adds capacity, poses no extra danger, and simplifies the process. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I would not trust one. I'd just get a combination safe and not tell the kid the code. I don't like key safes since you have to put the key somewhere... I have a buddy that lost one of his keys and has a safe he has yet to get into. AND unless you carry it with you at all times, the key will be accessible to the kid. Combination's will stay in your head. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your point is that you were taken by a joke and are now trying to make it look like you were not. I don't... I bet you listen to him more than I do. My Dad likes him, I can't stand him. In fact, I don't like any of the talking heads. You seem to only dislike the ones from the right and drink the koolaid from the ones on the left... Oh, and drink the koolaid from satire sites. See, this is where we differ. When I see radical paranoia from the right or the perception of it I'm not surprised, but think its stupid; you call it normal. And when I see radical paranoia from the left or the perception of it I'm not surprised, but I think it is stupid; you claim it does not exist. I don't know what channel he is on.... You can continue to try and make up facts, but just because you believe it does not make it true.... Just like believing "news" "reported" by the Onion does not make it true. This just goes to show that you don't vet your sources... The irony is you jump on people for using what YOU call rags, but you stupidly tried to cite a well known satire program. Just admit that you were taken in and that you are now stupidly trying to backpedal and let it go... This whole thread casts doubt on your ability to recognize a good source from a bad one. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

What would you call not allowing an object at a place? Further, it is a shame you don't trust soldiers enough to be armed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

To make the claim you are making would be like saying the right to free speech only applies to things printed on a printing press, a book or spoken and does not apply to the internet, radio, TV, or anything printed with a laser printer. You would still have "free speech", right? The intent of both the right to free speech and the right to bear arms was to keep tyranny from taking over. Free Speech to inform people to take action such as elect someone else or hold elected people accountable.... Keep and Bear Arms as a last resort when all else failed. US V Miller 1939 argued four points. The salient point here is the Govt's argument that "The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia". The Govt argued that ONLY military style arms are protected by the 2nd. DC V Heller stated that the weapons that are allowed are the ones in "common use at the [current] time". Looking at the Founding Fathers, and looking at the Constitution in a historical perspective, there is no logical support of your idea. The Founding Fathers wanted an armed citizenry to be able to protect the Constitution and the people from their own Govt. To think that the 2nd should only apply to crossbows, would be like supporting the 1st only for books and newspapers. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Agreed that he can do a good job... But his intent is not to inform, but to entertain. I have seen him make fun of his guest and mess with them as often as I have seen him do a real interview. He has the skills, but his intent is not to inform. That does not mean that he does not sometimes have good info.... but I seriously doubt you could consider him a good resource for news. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The limitations were also discussed. Justice Roberts asked, "What is reasonable about a ban?" I think he knows more about Constitutional law than you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe you should understand the topic before you jump in? Also, still waiting on the "play the ball , not the player" question. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

FAIL!!!!!! Not even a good attempt to back peddle. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I do.. Now you should understand_before_replying. Didn't you say to me a bunch about playing the ball, not the player? Do all mods get to play by a different set of rules, or just you? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well, I'd take Hannity over the Onion as a news source. And to be honest, I don't even know what channel Hannity is on, nor could I spot him in a line up. But I do know that the Onion is satire. Another hint... You do know that John Stewart is also satire right? And SNL's weekend update is as well? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334