freakydiver

How is it bogus - do you keep your head swiveling looking for powerlines or canopies while under canopy once you have looked where you are going to land? Once you've scoped your landing out, you've already said to yourself, there is probably a given obstruction there and there so I am going to land there. After that, the thing you can't possibly plan for is what the other guy is doing in the air under his canopy around you, thus the reasoning behind the saying "keep your head on a swivel". IMHO, if you think you can plan what another canopy pilot is going to do, you are already as good as gone. Its quite comprable to driving a car. Let's say I'm driving at night where my vision sucks. I can still plan that the road ends at the solid yellow line that is painted on the side of the road and I probably shouldn't cross that line when I can't see off the side of the road, but no matter what, there is no possible way I can plan for what the guy in the car in front of me or behind me or in the incoming lane of traffic is going to do. Gotta react to him and be on my toes to be able to do so, the yellow line is already an afterthought and I don't waste precious time worrying about it once I've told myself the importance of it. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

True true - I respect 99 percent of what you say, just not in this one instance. My only point was that the guy that ran into Roger maybe could have planned a bit better and if Roger were in the same place at all times it would be easier to plan for him. I'm certainly never going to tell my future prospective students that powerlines don't run parellel to roads, I'm going to tell them, most of the time they do, so try to land away from the road. In that case, that will be a hard a fast rule that they, as have I, will generally always follow because they have been mentally prepared (i.e. they planned) on what to do when landing off. Also, this doesn't mean I'd stress less the saying "keep you head on a freekin swivel while under canopy". My main point to them would be, look, you can plan where powerlines are when landing off. If you find yourself landing off, plan where you are going to land using the powerline knowledge and then move on to bigger and better things such as continuously moving your head around on a swivel since you cannot possibly plan for other people's actions under canopy. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

No - there was no poll over in the other thread. I wanted a poll, I started a poll, people are answering the poll, that is all I wanted. I still think by far it is a ton easier to plan for something that doesn't move than it is to plan for something that moves and things. Cahos theory is it?? -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Also - if it were easier to plan for another canopy in the air then why are there so many canopy collisions? People seem to be able to pick off site landing locations pretty darn easily compared to what airspace to spiral through. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Read the damn title - which is easier to PLAN FOR. PLAN PLAN PLAN PLAN PLAN!!!!!! Go to that other thread if you want to dissect my semantics. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

IMHO one should not have to see anything to plan for it. That was my point. I know not to land as close to the road to save walking distance because most likely that is where I will find powerlines. Also, as much as I know there are other canopies in the air, there are blind spots and therefore it is not as easy to plan ahead for another canopy which is precisly my point. Planning saves lives. Period. Thus the TITLE OF THIS FREAKING thread - "Considerations when landing off." Hmm - my consideration was simply that one can plan for powerlines, one can plan for other canopies, but given statistical analysis, canopies move into odd places that might not be visible by a canopy pilot, powerlines generally do not move and are more plannable for. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

No a thread in which it has been pointed out to me that a canopy is way easier to prepare for which i think is complete crap to be honest with you... Also, I think people should realize where powerlines USUALLY sit so they can plan off field landings appropriately and NOT LAND as close to the road as possible. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

In all seriousness - in your opinion, is it easier to understand that powerlines generally run parellel to a road and plan to avoid them knowing that or is it easier to plan for the movements of another canopy pilot that you may or may not see no matter how swiveled your head is. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

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But you disagree with me? Seriously?? Hey look powerlines that weren't there a minute ago! Where did those come from! Hey look, they run parelelle to a road like they usually do! How strange!!! OR Hey look, Roger Nelson, where did he come from. Honestly, which one is easier to see or PLAN AHEAD for. Scenario A hands down. Head on swivel does not prepare one for unlucky instance of Roger Nelson appearing out of nowhere. Knowing powerlines generally run parellel to road does. Don't know anymore, don't care - save yourselves. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

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Whats a UPI you ask? Unidentified Party Injury -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Right on - they do rock the house btw!!!! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Oh yah - I definately suck btw... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

No wonder some of the dz.commers have such post #s (hehehehe) -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

I don't personally think I could BASE after having a kid. Seems a bit selfish to the child imho... Just my two cents and I guess, how I'm built. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Hell not only that but I got three UPIs. What a weekend! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Try this: http://www.nationals.com/ -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Oh heck - that didn't work to well - eating my own words and performing more thorough search for you... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Google? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=lake+wales+2003+collegiates -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Did I at any time say - "Land next to a road" ??? No I did not - In fact, I do not advocate landing near a road to save one from having to walk. In my 40 or so off field landing, I have never landed closer to a road to prevent walking. Again, all I am saying is powerlines DO NOT move, canopies with pilots underneath them that are unpredictable do. Lesson to learn? Head on swivel. How is that a distraction, it was simply said to show someone who never landed off WHERE to look for powerlines and WHERE NOT to land. Cloudy ones. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Anytime - too bad its a helluva lot easier said than done. Bottomline though - I've found it out the hardway, your happiness is your responsibility and no one elses. I hope it works out for you, if not, come out to Denver and I'll buy you a jump or two to forget about those closeminded assholes!!! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Shit Kallend - you want to see DOD wasting money, come to work on a SuperFund site - namely Rocky Flats. Talk about wasted cash. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

Weeks! -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --

I think he has the clue, note the "sarcasm" in the post. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." --