rhys

get your eyes checked bro, this is the second time in this thread you have misread and made a knee jerk rection. I didn't realise you were that much od a post whore, but i suggest you take a little more time to ingest what it is you are reading before relying. You are making an ass of yourself! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How does hving been there make anyone more educated on how the buildings collapsed than anyone else? You want to subject me to to emotional side of the story that was the driving force behind the false reaction that was the iraq war? What about the families and firefighters that wan't another invesigation? You are pretty one sided if you think all the FDNY guys are happy with how the disaster was dealt with. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

what is wrong with discussing it openly on this forum? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

No, i'm claiming (along with hundreds of thousands of others) that the Nist report is not correct, the mistakes are pointed out but noone seems to be able to correct the faults. This report is supposed to explain one of the worst disasters in world history, but you all seem quite content in beng told lies and seeing millions of people lived being destroyed because o a knee jerk reaction to a false assumtion? Where is the wisdom in that, oh wise one? It reminds me of religon, just have faith and it is all good, don't question the higher powers just beieve what they tell you, even if it doesn't make and sense. Go back, read this thread and tell me where any explanation of the question that is being asked has been made? They were not blown up, they fell, a distinct difference. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So if someone believes the Nist report is false, they automaticly believe, man didn't land on the moon, aliens are amoung us, the pyrimids were constucted by aliens... A common mistake from your type, you cannot differetiate between those that have and argument and those that simply are doing the same as what your side does; believe everything they are told! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Like all the tin hat comments, the ones made without substanciating the basis of thier side of the argument? have to agree with you. Not really, he askes for an explanation, I give him one and instead of actually reading it, he returns to making tin foil hat coments. 90% of his posts are cheeky one line coments with no substance, he never actually subtanciates his side of the story and just jumps on a bandwagon, true signs of a short attention span. You have heard of fugure of speech right? Anyway I do not wisH to stray away from the point as that is mikes favorite weapon when he can't defend his side of the story, just change the subject! So back to the point at hand! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Are you serious? Nist spends millions of dollars getting it wrong (whether by accident or on purpose?) and you expect a comercial skydiver to explain it to you? Are you stupid or what? To answer your quetion, one would need millions of dollars, many scientists, access to the evidence, and most importantly the acceptance from the authorites. over 70,000 people from New York state just petitioned to have a new non biased investigation. hundreds or thousands of scientists from around the world also want the same and will participate in the investigation. Those that have put forward hypothesies of the cause have been called whackjobs by uneducated, ill informed poeple that can't grasp what it is they are talking about but simply enjoy belittleing people for the fun of it. And you want me to give you an/my explanation? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hey rookie guy, you're obviously new to this, if loose change is your only concept on this, i suggest you go do some research before you make any more comments. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If you hadn't noticed, obviously you havn't, all i am saying in this conversation is that the official report is wrong. Here is a short and sweet explanation of what I am trying to say, with not too many big words for you big head to comprehend; http://www.scribd.com/doc/3884745/911-Sudden-collapse-initiation-impossible I hope it is not too much for your short attention span. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you would rather try to change the focus of the conversation than actually substanciate what you are saying? (fuck knows where you 'skippy' from but who cares) Nice one! Um, No, as in a national body representing science and technology, lying and using false physics at the expense of the worlds understanding of what actually went on that day. Well you clearly expressed your inability to understand what it is that I was saying. That clearly shows a lack of intellect. I am not a scientist or a demolition expert and I am also not a dectective, you are asking more than what my current ablities allow me to realisticly do, I however asked you (or anyone reading for that matter) to inform me why you are so certain that what you have been told is the truth when it clearly is not, as I pointed out in my earlier post/s. Why because you have blown my side of the story away with you great, detailed, scientificly backed contibutions to the debate? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

For fucks sake, no wonder you are having a hard time grasping this, you really do not understand do you. let me help you; The building fell at free fall speed, we all saw that many times over. The Nist report states this was 'due to the initial floors collapsing at free fall speed' and sending the energy through the buildings creating the collapse at this speed. There is no question that the buildings fell damned fast and they(nist) had to conjure up a theory to support that fact as we all wintnessed in real time the collapses of all 3 buildings. At least fema had the gumtion to say they couldn't explain the rate of the collapses. Nist conjured up some false physics and surronded it with fancy mathmatics to fool all you speed readers. Actually i base my assertins on my own study of all aspects of this incident, you quite clearly don't have the intelect to understand what it is that is being said! I challenge you to show me where my case and point of the initiating forces, as reported by your side of the story, has been explained in real terms using real life physics. But you probably can't fathom what it is I am saying and will return to calling me a radiophobic, and declare to yourself that you have won the debate! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Listen Rookie, I don't even expect you to show me where it has been beaten to death, but enlighten me as to where it has been explained that the top section of the buildings could 'freefall' 3.7 metres. You actually realise what is being said don't you? I bet you all failed debate at school, you would be laughed at bringing hearsay into a real debate, so sherlock, I have given evidence and substance, where is yours? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Don't pass the buck, you mis-read what I had wrote, was obviously not observant enough to see what it was you were responding to, and basically mocked youself and all you mates here. The same mistake has been made by all of you for not seeing the 'freefall of 3.7m by the top 10% of the building' as reported by NIST, but I very much doubt any of you have actually read the report! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Actually it was speedracer that bought it up, i am marely pointing out how short sighted and ill informed you lot are. If you are so sure you are right and I am a fool, read the post above you last, and explain how it is possible for the initiating floors to 'freefall' 3.7m, to begin the collapse sequence, as was reported in NIST's hypothesis, and all the debunking thoeries. This has not been answered by any of you, or anyone. I keep asking but the point keeps getting clouded by immature batman and robbin/tin foil remarks. If you are happy to beleive 3.7 metres of steel and concrete structure can simply dissapear, just because some extremely well paid scientists tell you so, then you are a fool! Because that is what you are believing, and preaching as truth. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I was actually refering to; http://www.debunking911.com/ http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html http://911conspiracydebunked.com/ and the likes, You see, I actually have studied this and have an open mind about it. Science however prevails, and these debunking theories all use the NIST reports and official story as a basis. When you do understand what the official stroy is trying to put forward, then you would understand the lie that they are telling. I understand Isaac Newtons findings, and how if all the floors above the impact zone were to imact the floor below, the energy tranfer would potentially be enough to cause a systematic collapse as is explained in this report; http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf but once again this assumtion is used as a basis of the entire calcualtions; So the floor completely vanished? The steel was not just weakened by the fires and sagged, then just gave way, It actually vaporised and the complete 3.7 metre section of the building dissapeared? maybe Al Q. hired David Copperfield to get the thing going! This is the point I am trying to get across to you guys, where the mathmatics looks sharp and the words look intellegent, that very assumtion is false, impossible and stupud! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I guess there is not too much of a difference in initial price then; http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/05253%28tandemPL%29.pdf But... Cut your main rings off your strong instuctor harness container, send them into Strong and get a substancial discount (in the realms of $2500) on a new harness(only) minus the handles and bags and bridles pilot chutes etc.. Cut the warning label off the set canopy send it in and get a substancial discount on a new set canopy. at least 2 dz's i have worked for do this. I agree, strongs are expensive in maintenance. Can you elaborate? sigmas are more comfortable(especially for the customer if you care about that), safer, and eliminate quite a few malfunctions that are still on offer from the strong system. Price would have to be the main reason to choose a strong, I cant think of another? Enlighten me please? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I have worked at a DZ that does that, but it was handicam video so, no slots lost. 90% sounds like quite a high figure, when I have seen these type of figures of upselling there has been a tremendous amount of pressure on the customer to purchase the product when they clearly do no want to/cannot afford it. This type of behavior is really unprofessionasl and has a negative long term effect on overall sales/bad word of mouth advertising. I am not saying you guys act like this but those figures might lead me to assume so. I am not opposed to spec selling, but only if it is done in a professional and respectful manner. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Or invaded counries! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Gee i wonder why? and it goes on, these are obviously well thought out, educated comments, that bring clarity and substance to the debate. it quite obvious that you lot have a deeper understanding of what went on than me... Why don't you just fulful my one criteria? insead of making stupid jokes? or better yet, refrain from take place in the conversation/debate. (not aimed specifically at you nanook!) That won't get your post numbers up though will it? You can't afford to spend more than a minute on a post because you have to crack the 50,000 post mark before the end of the year!!!! Majority may rule, but that doesn't make the majority right, take religon for example, in the east Islam rules, in the west christianity rules. Are they both right? No, niether of them are, but try telling that to them! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Ah no it hasn't, you just read what you want to read, show me agian where a structure had fallen (as all 3 WTC structures did) completely and symmetricly into thier own footprint? Ir do you refute thjat it happened that way? I only have 1 criteria; 1, That the collapses are explained correctly, explaing how it is possible that the simultainious freefall speed of the collapse if the initial floors that gave way is possible with random fires. This is my conclusion (and many others) from reading the NIST report. it will not change, the only thing that changes is the official story as they dig themselves deeper and deeper into a hole, fortunatley(for them) they have the god loving, sheepish, community behind them. No one wants to now they are being fucked up the ass from thier superiors, do they? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Excuse me assumtion guy, I spent many hours searching, watching, listening and studying all aspects of this event, I have read the NIST report, i have watched the debunking movies i have watched the debunking of the debunking movies and read the reports. have you? I bet you just watch your fox news, laugh at the one line tin foil hat jokes, feel like a part of the crowd and go on with your life? If not it sure sounds like it! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

sheesh, even NIST doesn't claim that! The planes did create substancial damage, yes. But that damage was not reported to result in the collapse of the buildings, those buildings were designed to withstand multipule impacts from such aircraft. It was the fires that were supposed to have caused the collapses. Do your research as I have! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

This particular hypothesis cost millions of dollars and is supposed to determine the cause of the only 3 steel framed strucutures in history to fall due to fire, symmetrically and completely into thier own footprint through the path of most resistance. This is an astounding result, there are thousands of people worldwide including scientists and engineering professionals that refute the report. Do you not think it is fair that they get to have thier say officially? Is the time and money not wasted on an investigation that does not make sence? So on the contrary don't think all hypothesies should be peer reviewed, but if any one of them should be, it should be this one! Interestingly enough, when I put forward Steven Jones' hypothesis into this debate a few months ago, I was asked to produce a peer reviewed journal, I did so, then when I asked if the Nist hypothesis was peer reviewed... ... silence prevailed? Talk about double standards! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You cannot peer review your own journal, that is not what peer review is about. it is about being open to the scientific community, kinda opposite to what the NIST have been. "next question please" sound familiar? or have you not done your research? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you realise what you are saying don't you! You are actually agreeing with me! Wow! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix