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Because you lied to them and gave them a placebo. It may have worked well for that situation and for that individual, but to suggest it is a good instructional technique for everybody in this situation is a very bad idea. It is part of the job of an instructor to ascertain the difficulties the student is having, explain it to the student so they have a good understanding of what is happening to them, reduce their anxiety and make sure they understand and react properly. Your suggstion is basically lying to them, and giving them a pill and hope it fixes their problem. Correct me if I am wrong but that is plain old lazy. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

What??? So there are no stages between student status and wingsuiting?? There is always the previous level. If somone s holding thier breath for the entire jump, they are not relaxed. I really do not beleive it is likely that this was the case, as holding your breath for a minute and a hlaf or longer while exerting energy is very hard to do, but this is the information we have to work with. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Look, I am not deliberatly trolling someone I am being honest. Placebo may work on some but is not a good answer. This guy was having probelems relaxing, for some reason or another, and even though this little trick 'may' have worked on this individual at this time, it would have been better to anylise what was going through his mind, find out what the probelem was and resolve the problem. Not everything can be fixed with a pill. It was pointed out to DSE by Ron that maybe the student should be taken back a notch until they were more comfortable, he got on a high horse, got defensive and then a little crew of self proclaimed wannabe instructors jumped in on his defense. This is poor instructional dimeanour, if someone points out to you something that you may not be doing effectively, you should acknowledge the information and respond professionally. He has changed his tune, and asked for advice, but the initial prospect that a placebo effect and fibs is a good idea is fundamentally wrong. If nothing was said about this by anyone we may have seen these new instructors coming thorough with a pack of listerine strips in thier pocket and telling their students fables and giving them a placebo rather than finding the root of the cause and fixing it. It seems damned lazy to me, I am being honest, and even though you may want to disagree with me on everything becuase our political standponts are polar opposites, I am allowed to add my .02 maybe help a potentially dangerous situation from happening. I am an instructor and this is an instructor forum. How about you tell us why you think this listerine strip idea is a good one and my thoughts and suggestions are bad rather than just attacking me. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Sounds like you want an instructional pill. Each individual is different and should be taught what is happening to them, not told fables and given a placebo. Haha, This seems like poor instuctional techniques to me. It should never be out of line to point out to another instructor that their student/trainee was having difficulties and probably needed to cut back a notch. It should never be taboo for someone to point out danger. Any instructor that cannot take constructive criticism is proably not doing the right thing. None of us are perfect, so there is no point in any of us pretenting to be. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Because if I am incorrect I want to know. The more I post and the more you lot that say you don't care for the subject yet continue to exert energy trying to discredit rather than disprove the subject, the more sure I can be that my assertions are in fact correct. yes, myself. There are many outspoken post wores here, that feel the need to reply to every thread whether or not they can conribute to the discussion or not, and there are plenty that just read and neve make a comment, Just because you see the usual types make the same deluded and childish comments, the ones you don;t see, most likely don;t post to avoid the very insults that I expect from you lot. I could care less about some war monging, violent right wing cunts that only want the pain and suffering of innocent civilians for the sake of cheap energy, products and recources. You lot ignore this pain and suffering, I am aware of it. For instance, i know you support the ight wing, you ignore the prevailent truth of 9/11 you feel the wars are justified, so you have blood on your hands. deep down you know the truth, but you are not willing to admit it, and thise little stabs I get in the form of name calling are signs of this uncertainty coming out. if you were so certain, you would just ;leave me to post alone in my threads. Bill for example has said a number of time he is no longer dicussing the subject, but he continues to do so and he knows his intrgety is at stake if he does not help prop up the lies. With his support comes the suppoert of the other sheep. without bill and belg. and the few that acyually make an attemt to address some fringe point to detract from the core of the subject, your argument would be simple name calling while mine is scientific evidence produces from industry professionals. example please.....? No, i realise that those that can just make the conspiracy nut call without substaanciating thier claims are simple minds that have no integrety. If they had integrey they would ask themselves what evidence do I have that this theory is wrong, submit that evidnce and the debate would be won. yes there is, I discuss with them the evidence that comes to be on a daily basis, then I post here for scrutiny. I expect the usual names and insults from childish idiots, but also the hashest scrutiny from those the violently defent the official dogma as they have pushed all in, and bet their interety on the propoganda and lies of very powerful people. That attitude is very similar to that of many americans that seem to act like america has always been the mopst poerful nation on earth and will always be so. Just a couple of factors can change anything, america is slowly losing its hold on the worlds affairs and so is are the people that created this debarcle. You and you mates however will defend it to the death, while the previously apatheric will see the increasing desparate and defensive measures of your weak and pathetic attemt to hide the truth. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I could have written utterly foolish person but it takes more energy. idiots are not limited to children. well after many posts and no attempt to substanciate the claims made by this person it is easy to conclude that they are simply full of hot air, if you read the title of the thread, you will see that it asks for evidence, and you will find thaat the said person keeps making unsubtanciated claimes with no evidence. It does not mater may many time you say I am wrong, you are just making accustions until yu prove it. Not it was meant to highlight at the claims of the wankers here that continue to try to discredit my integrety and evidence without showing an ounce if it themselves are simply full of shit. No one has even made an attempt to debunk the fundamentals of the nano thermite paper, thay cannot because it is written concisely with the evidence to back upthe conclusions. evidence is evidence. you lot don't have any, you have propoganda and lies. That is all. Now put p or shut up. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I really do not have definative opiono on this contrail. But one thing bugs me about this whole thing. if it was simply an aircraft, it would have to have a transponder on that flight path, and we would all have been informed that immediately with details such as the flight path, destination, origin, flight number etc. the comments from the pentagon saying thay have no idea what it is created this debarcle, if it was a plane they simply would have said so. I can't really be fucked with this debate (for now) as nothing has really eventuated from it. But if indeed it was a plane, with all the media attention it has gotten and the plethora of debates going on in forums internationally, the flight number, destination, origin aircraft type etc etc would have come to light right now. Once again assumtions and guesswork are used to make a conclusion when the information should be availabale for anyone to cross check. If you can conclusively say it was a plane, you should be able to conclude/prove what it was. If it was not a commerical and therefor scheduled flight then it is something else, if it did not have a transponder and was unexpected, yes it should be a worry. The information I have available to me would 'suggest' it was an excercise of the US military. But I am not willing to conclude that. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

look if you really do not want to participate in this converstaion you do not need to. It is quite clear that you, elgie, bill and all the other imbeciles here that have said time and time again that you think this is a silly conversation, yet you are always replying. I know that is becasue deep down, or maybe even near the surface, you know you are kidding yourself, you know the world is corrupt, you know human beings are not to be trusted when money and power are at hand but you know you have the backing from very powerful entities that are producing this specific dogmatic lunacy. so you stick with it. Truth i in the too hrd pile for you, becasue you and your mates here are still yet to address the very principal of this thread, just the usual school yard tactics.. childish. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Ahh no you were not, you did not even mention swoopware, please re read what you said. So 'you' get your facts straight. You cannot change what you have said. You basically accused mikey of ripping off Sony I understand that you cannot comment any further. But you might want to take your foot out of your mouth. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

nice crisp footage most of the time, whats the story with the heavy vignetting on some of the footage? and that is a different king air at lodi to last year? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I was taking the subject mater back from the schoolyard name calling and ego building excersizes to the subject at hand. Once again a typical response form you, instead of ambiguous comments that are not highlighting anyhting in particular but your desire to discredit me, why not try addressing the subject itself. for example, what data is contradicting and what evidence does not make sense? that is an outright lie, They say a plane impacted the two towers, I beleive that and them, there are many many factors that are agreed between the 9/11TM nd th offical account. So by your rationale, because they failed to take an account of the percentage of sperees in the dust as apposed to everything else, renders the dicovery of the powerful incendiary withing the said samples useless? Correct he has, but he has not addressed them correctly. That is because you cannot, not because you don't want to. You would have posted one long ago if you could have, you have been looking but there is not one available to you is there. You still have not explained what is incorrect about the paper, you say you don't have to because they did not make an account of what percentage of the dust was iron spheres. That is irrelevant when you find evidence of highly engineered incendaries within the dust. The Spheres were separated from the other materials with a powerful magnet and the lightly magnetic properties of the red grey chips allowed them to be extracted with the spheres. It is not up to me to prove my assertions to you when we give you vidence, it is up to you to prove that this evidence is incorrect. and ignoring the point and makeing some irelevant point about you teacher in school is just dancing around semantics rather than getting to the point. i'm sure you teacher threw plenty of papers back at you if you fucked around as much as you do here, when it comes to getting to the point. What evidence do you have that this nano thermite is not in the dust, your official sources have admitted to not looking for it, and the only people that have looked for it, have found it, in abundence. they have identified its properties beyond reasonable doubt. You don't really have an argument until you addrees the point, but I am not going to hold my breath though, you are quite predictable. if it is so easy, then show us the evidence, words are words bro, and that is all you seem to have. If it is so easy to find thermitic material in fire residue, give us one example that resembes what we are talking about here. I suggest you are lying. You said unreacted and reacted. Just an example of unreacted will do, I really doubt you will find anything as unreacted thermitic material is usually reacted by fire. What a fucking joke, you are all hot air and no substance. When you get physicits, chemists and scientists together that have deep understandings of the subject, you can be sure that they can positively identify that nano thermite is nano thermite. they are more than qualified to do so, and you are not. That conclusion of yours is pure trash, and you somehow put yourself above others that have much more experience than you. pure arrogance and ignorence. This is because these are the only entities that have had access to the evidence, so the independant investigators are reliant on bogus information. what are these many independant investigators? It is about time you bacme more specific, les ambiguous, arrogant and ignorant, and actually address the subject matter, rather than dancing around it and calling names, and discrediting those you have no authority to discredit. Once again you make irrelevant points, to make a false basis for your absurd beleifs. It is about time you grew up a little and showed us the skills of engineering you supposedly have. Dancing around semantics and name calling is not professional, it may get you brownie points with the other outspoken idiots here, but it does you no justice. Read the title of the thread and tell me where you have ever addressed the subject? you simply avoid it like the plague. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I stand corrected, that is the south tower and his comments become ambiguous after that fact as he does not descibe where he was in the building when hwe witnessed this. 0If you watch that clip you will hear they talk about multipule explosions, on the ground level after the impact and before the collapse. "the third explosion and the whole lobby collapsed on us" "was that a secondary explosion?..., yes" " you people don;t understand, any one of these buildings could blow up, this aint done yet" It is quite clear that they are not talking about the plane impacting, or the building itself collapsing they are talking about an explosion in the lobby, that made all the stone tiles and ceiling collapse onto them. If it was the building that was collapsing on them and they were in the lobby, dou you really think they would have made it out... Think about it, and take of your dogma goggles. Listen to common sence. You seem to have your wires crossed about the nano thermite, Nobody is saying that nano thermite was the only incendiary/explosive that was used. It may well be, but nobody has said that, they have just found traces of it so it was at least one of the inendiaried found. I don't see you commenting on the shperes any more, nor the experiment that clearly shows that thermite can indeed cut through steel columns and that the National Geographic experiment was a fraud, intended to persuade the public that they have nothing to worry about. Propoganda so to speak. I don't see you debating their false and misleading conclusion, because it helps your false argument. Now how about you or one of your buddies there, show me some evidence that the nano thermite paper was false, incorrect, or misunderstood. You cannot becasue it was well produced and repeatable. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You are asking question that makes a point take about 3 or 4 posts (days) longer than it needs to. You already know the point you are trying to make but youy are simply beating around the bush/fucking around because you want to asses my answer first. Instead of these ambiguous and unsubstanciated remarks, why don't you actually point out what is wrong with the paper. Something you seem to be reluctant to undertake even though you are so certain it is completely incorrect? They suspected explosives/incendiaries were present, looked for them, found them, experiemented with them, ignited them, put them in an electron microscope, determined thier properties and made a conclusion, had it reviewed, then published. The dogmatic and misleading trash that pushes what you consider to be reality is this piece of spin. science and conspiracy The scientific thermite experiment kinda resembles the 9/11 comission..., it is designed not to work. Watch this presentation, the Great thermate debate that completely describes how you or I could make thermate cutter charges with ordinary ingredients. This is a new video, you would not heve seen it before, and the producer conducts experiments that easily debunks NIST's one and only reason to 'NOT' look for explosive residue and the NG science and conspiracy experiment and conclsion. All using basic home made thermite, much less volatile that the nano thermite others have discovered. Every time some spin hit piece is made of this subejct your science becomes less and less intergrated with reality. No they also did experiments to eliminate what others suspected This is exactly thier point of burning the paint, your lot were saying the red gray chis were just primer, they knew it was not but by experiemnt they could safely conclude it. Yet the red gray chis do ignite, quite violently and produce the microsheres that are the result of a thermitic reaction, a point you so easily sidestep. What is the point of asking then, I guess some wisguy comment about how much more intellegent than me you are, but beating around the bush is not intellegent, it is childish. Now get to your point... I actually have a life outside of this chatroom. So I oppologise if I let my post average slip. But I have been busy working, socialising with my friends, spending time with my wife, and relaxing. Haha, sorry for not being as dedicated as you. I'll elave you with this short clip of a guy that was describing the explosion in the lobby before any plane hit any building, tell me how they can evacuate the north tower from an explosion, be talking about it outside and while doing so the plane hits the building 9/11 Explosion In The North Tower Lobby Eyewitness And before you say this has been fabricated, this video has just been released by the NIST in a database of 5 Tb of footager currently being anylised by independant investigators. Remember NIST say there is not evidence for explosives and they hve just given us plenty that thay have been in posession of for almost a decade. here is another ; Firemen Explosion Testimony Now I have anbswered your quaestion, It is only fair that you answer mine. 'Show me one peer reviewed and published journal that refuted the existance of this Nano enginerred thermitic residue' You say the paper is a joke, but do not explain how, you say most scientists believe the official story yet you do not give us evidence for this. Dogma is not questioned by those that know the result of them doing so. Your actions along with the insulting and disrespectful connotations and childish name calling of others make damned sure they don't. Unfortunately for you, your back up is falling apart. No matter how many times you move the goal post, you still need to score a goal to win. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Wherther it is about me or anybody, it is pure trash about posters on this website. It is peer pressure, childish and insulting. I am not particularly worried about it but it is not very becoming of the people that are doing it. It is the simple small talk of those that are not intellegent or informed enough to continue talking about the subject at hand, yet feel so important or lonely that they need the conversation, even though they are not effectively contributing to it. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It is quite charming that you feel the need to exert energy trying to insult me, you must have a bee in your bonnet, be extremly bored or simply insulting. a. I don't have an opinion on this projectile. This is the first I have heard of it. b. I can't remember ever opening alternet.com, 9/11 blogger is the site other than DZ hotmail and google that I visit mainly. Dont assume anything, you don't seem to be any good at it! c. (for the moderators) Why is it that one can PA someone in a thread that they are yet to participate in or have an opinion of, without intervention? Is there some veto thing going on with the cool kids? Are the prefects buddying up wuth the cool kids? I don't care how many of you there are that try to insult me or make jokes simply because I have enough gumption to question things that are not explained. You may fall for propoganda, I do not. You pathetic and weak attempts to belittle me are in vein. It surprises me that Wendy has jumped on board, but I guess thats is what this forum has become. The insult brigade pushing thier dogmatic theories and prinicapals and any opposing principals or theories are pure evil, insane, or a threat to national security. If you are going to hang around in here and not become the subject of ridicule, you had better go with the flow, or soon you too become the one to be insulted. What a joke and what a bunch of children, I thought old ladies were supposed to be wise, not wiseguys... This forum reminds me of intermediate school. Quite childish. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hi Mick, This is getting confusing, I suggested the swopware was similar to RXT, this was before I knew it was a plug in and not a stand alone product. DSE said that your product was well thought out, then I said it was similar to RXT, before finding it was a plug in for vegas pro, and not a stand alone product. DSE then said that RXT was similar to broadcast assistant/ P.I. and I replied to that. Seems we are all getting our wires crossed. I also talked to Mikey about your product and we all agree that they are not the same (similar), and that competition is a good thing. RXT is a stand alone, editing-booking and hosting program. Swooperware is a vegas pro plug in that uploads to youtube. they are similar but not the same, but they are both specific to skydiving. production assisatant is also a plug in but not specific to skydiving... they are all different, they all can be used by skydiving companies or individuals to produce their product. Competition is a good thing, it keeps you on your toes, keeps things fresh, and stops you from resting on your laurels and stagnating. I have no experience with vegas, but I have experience with RXT and I am very impressed with it. I have just started using it for bookings and editing/uploading. It has been very effective, our customers are very inpressed too, when they find out they get an email with a link to their video for instant sharing world wide. All these products are great and are well thought out, I have affiliation with RXT through knowing and working with mikey and will stick with that. He has gone out of his way to help me with it (prioritising adding MP4) and I will go out of my way to help him. Time will tell what the market wants however. Good luck . "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I am talking about, www.swoopware.com.au not broadcast assistant. RXT is skydiving specific, swoopware is skydive specific, production assitant is a plug in. RXT is the whole lot. I am not dgoing to get into a debate about production assistant, as it is not designed specifically for skydiving with handicam or outside camera and heights and aircraft etc etc. as you have aklways said skydiving is too small of a market for sony to create anything specifically for. I was saying swoopware was similar to RXT, And that swoopware is a plug in and RXT is not a plug in. It is a comprehensive package that does it all itself that is it, I even said it was a good thing. whats the problem? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Do your own research and come back to me with results, you are slack and have no point to put across, so how about you actuaslly bring something to the conversation and show us ONE of your denying scientists that have taken the time to refute this paper, scientifically, put it through peer review and published it. You have been saying for a long time now that there are more that defend the official story, then show us one. Not some youtube video fo some angry little right wing warmongers doing brown eys, and calling names like twoofers but an actual scientific journal. I thnk you will have difficulty finding one on the nanothermite subejct, because you are trying to discredit science, you are too slack to investigate for yourself and you ignore pertinant information that is the core of the conversation. Like I suggested earlier, show us your argument. As you have none right now other than insulting words which is not very scientific at all. It is about time you bought some credit to your integrety, as your argument is looking pretty weak now if you are stumped by and illiterate radiophobe with no clue, like you claim me to be. It is about time you step up to the plate. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I answered the question. There are many people implicated in the events, all I really desire is a trnasparent, public and thourough investigation. you will find that is the desire of most in the truth movement. That you can discredit me for "NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING" like you seem to claim to do, is pure arrogance. If it was clear cut who the ring leader was then there would not be so much of a debate, would there. This is a straw man tangent that tries to move the subject away from your lack of understanding of how you came to a conclusion, to finding something I am not sure of to make me look unsure. If you could address the existence of the thermite and it's residues, then you would be back on the right path. Until then you can just ignore the truth and stick to your straw man conversations with your apathetic mates. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

'Seems to me' the idea was copied off Mike and his real xstream software in development now, a bit close to home but that is business. And competition drives for a better product for the consumer. RXT is a much more user freindly as it 'is' its own editing software, you can take as many or a little thumbnails as you like, it includes royalty free music and has online support. Should be out for your next season. We are using it now, just started using it this week actually as the features I required have been added successfully and is working without a glitch so for.... There are some very good features on RXT that help the SEO for the company too, hosting the vids on your own website give you hits and looks really good. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So this is an add on for vegas and not its own program, I have been told? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Gee in a few minutes, I found the answer to your question, surprise surprise; http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9ioRriwjlksJ:911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html and all while taking turns on my online game I managed to find some So your point of asking me that question was purely to waste energy and come up with some straw man argument about something. You could have that answer before you asked it. and used the result of that answer in this post, you are wasting time. CUT TO THE CHASE OR PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE FOR YOU ASSERTIONS, other than simple words from propoganda or Pseudo experiments from network television. But scientific evidence from any of these engineers or architects or scientists, that you have been saying all along that will openly admit the thermite claims are wrong. You show me one advocate of the ofiicial conspiracy story that has taken the effort to debunk scientifically this Nano thermite paper, and you might be back into the debate. but for now you are lingering around like a sore loser simply asking very basic questions you could answer yourself, or repeating yourself like someone else that cannot seem to comprehend that an answer does not change no matter how many times you ask the same question when you are being honest, unless something is explained that refutes, explains and has proof the answer to that question can honestly be changed. It is a simple theory to me, but I am honest. First you tell me I have no clue, but then you ask questions you can anser yourself..., you are testing 'me', rather than the 'subject'. you really need to re assess how you anylise things. Using your emotion and dislike for somebody is no way to do research, use should try using your integrety and knowledge and find out the prudent information yourself. Not beat around the bush with silly mind games, insults and straw man arguments. You are supposed to be an engineer, It is about time you acted like one. Childish behavior in such an important subject is not very professional, and when you cannot answer something yourself while you mock those that have actually taken the effort to study, invest time, money and energy, use the scientific method of coming to a conclusion, putting it through peer review, publishing it and backing it up with further study and request for more samples to study. If the review process was flawed or it was successfully challenged, then show us that documentation? You cannot because it does not exist. You just listen to some doush bag on telly spit about how the arabs are going to try to take over america and the persians are the biggest threat to the world and evil murderers, all the while you fund, fully support, and assist the murder of innoicent civilians in that regon on a daily basis. You guys have some fucked up philosiphy going on there. It sure is interesting but also quite stupid and dangerous. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The speres were removed from the samples by a mangnet, There may be that information available, I will be dissapointed in you belgie if I can find this information easily enough. I'm not here to do your research for you. You could just get to the point that you intend to propose after that information is provided or you too careful to delve so deep into your beliefs to cut to the chase? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

All you deniers ask the same questions. All the truth movement asks for is an independant investigation into the collapses, an open investigation. The purpose if the investigation is to determine what actually happened and than maybe who was responsible. The reason you ask that is to move the focus of the argument away from the subject matter that you simply cannot refute. asking that question shows you lack of reason. It is unreasonable for you to expact me to have such knowlegde. But reason is not your objective, obscuring justice and truth is your objective. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Ahmanjeed actually said the the zionist regime will dissolve like the soviet union. point 1 - Zoinist regimes does not = israel it equals the Zionists. point 2 - You were told by you media that he said that, because your media is controlled by the industrial military complex. here is the actual trnascript of ahmanjeeds comments. http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/ Whenyou translate a speech as prominent and important as that then you cannot put words in thier mouth. You americans really must stop taking the word of your media, it has bitten you in the ass time and time again and it seems you don't really learn from your mistakes. Do your own research before you back a proposal to jepordise your saftety. if you see lies, you should be concerned. The words wipe and map were added by the western media and polititions to help the campain to controll all the natural recources of the middle east for cheap (stolen) energy for the western corporations. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix