rhys

apologies to all! I don't know why I thought it was only available to the military? now back to the thermite itself, was it in fact there, and if it was then is it possible for it to be made by an impact on a plane? How did you make it? What processes were needed to make it happen? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

They can smell evidence and run like hell from it. Quote Is that an oxymoron? or just a backwards truth? We watch 1 hour an 30 minutes of evidence obout the fact that there is something fishy going on. We then spend the next week discussing and thinking and researching about it to see if it is true. that would hardly be considered running from evidence. did you work out how to make a steel beam fall into itself verticaly by striking it at the side near the top and burning it at 1500 or so degrees for 90 minutes and..... how did it do that again? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

simple, Rust. as far as I am aware the beams that, made up the core of the building were coated in aluminium for that exact purpose. did you watch the movie? this is the aluminium that Bill would have been talking about? what does that have to do with a building falling down? except for the fact that the building has already burned down. and somebody is putting a fire out? I never said it was the only possible explanation, The thermite was bought up by professors on public television, the television programme seemed to be running out of time at that point because, there was a Coke ad that had paid quite a bit to be on at that point in time Having said that It would probably be amoungst the few substances that would make the process actually possible. that bulding could only be melted down. the core was too strong to fall down! a verticle beam standing on its end has already fallen down before it even started. Sure the floors and walls and everything else except those verticle beams could fall down. but the core would remain! It is how the building was designed. Dunno how ya get the thermite bro, try a P/M to the railway worker that said they are now thermite welding. he might know. but every pig roast i have ever cooked (which isn't many!) has been over a fire that is controlled to the extent that it cooks the pig. dunno what you're talking about there. I think thermite might melt your oven? let me see a few tousand degreesF in 2 seconds Hmmm. yep no more oven. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Bill, I am a silver smith, and lived off it for a number of years. i have melted many different metals in/with a controlled environment/flame I am not an Idiot please don't treat me as 1. answer the question please. look at the picture on http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.html what is the white hot substance in the 1st photo and the red hot substance in the other in the other. do you deny it was thermite that created this. or do you actually believe the impact could make such a chemical reaction to produce thermite? is this actually possible. you said in a previous post the moulten metal is aluminium, aluminium will not hold its form at the temperature that the metal being removed from the rubble is at. it would be liquid so this metal we are looking at is therefore steel! is the 'meteorite made of aluminium? it is not reported to be. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

From your link. Someone asks, "But what about the thermite at the WTC?" and someone replies, "Thermite is made when you combine aluminum, iron oxide (rust), and heat. All would be present after a plane crashed into a building." You actually believe a plane crashing into a building that is made with steel covered in aluminium had sufficient rust to produce enough Thermite to keep the rubble burning at a temperature over 2000 degrees for weeks? BS "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

so isn't believing the origional story and not listening direct evidence from witnessess at the scene and scientific evidence. stop believeing the news and what we are informed of? is that what you mean. that is what we are doing. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

from the NIST report, Utter lies! There were many reports from many people about explosions and there is heaps of footage of the lobby roof and wall tiles fallen down and all the windows broken. just because they weren't oficially reported doesn't mean there were not explosives. Isn't NIST the company that fired the guy that tried to speak up because he didn't think everything was quite right on the movie? the report also fails to explain why the core was not left standing and only explains that the floors collapsed from where they were attached to the core. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It was steel. and to be more precise it was the steel of the central core at the basement to ensure the building did actually collapse. a substance known as thermide fe2o3 (available to the military only) in conjunction with sulphur fe2o3+2a1 was believed to be used. flowing moulten metal was reported weeks after the building had actually collpsed. thats why there was still smoke smouldering out of the rubble. the firefighter were ordered out of and away from building 7 hours before it collapsed. No I wasn't insinuating anything of the sort I was pointing out the fact that many institutions have the capability of withholding important information meaning it is not impossible to organise such a disaster. The simple facts are that a plnes even the size of a 747 could not destroy a building as the WTC was destroyed. If the story we were told was that the terrorists used a combination of explosives and an aircraft to destroy the building then it would be more believable. but the medea and govornment seem to be covering up something. why the lies? It was definately explosives that toppled the WTC and the aircraft smply helped it. there are many telltale signs of explosive and many 1st hand reports buy emrgency services and civilians in the building. can you remeber watching it when it happened? these explosions are not explaind by the final report given. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I found Mine and I'm just waiting for it now... JVX84 "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Please explain then with your superior engineering brain that you have why moulton metal was found not slightly weakened or warped but dripping. please also explain why the core collapsed as the 'official video' did not explain. even on thier computerised model the core still stood. Explain tower 7 and why the building across the road that had a piece of the WTC that was more than the weight of an airbusA380 and didn't collapse? If you seriously believe that that a building of that size that was designed to withstand the impact of a 707 and was could even sustain multiple impacts would be damaged to an extent that it would fall at almost freefall speed through the path of most resistance then you credibility has just diminished in my mind. Think About it! freefall speed only the top was damaged. I know all of you that don't believe such a conspiracy could take place will just laugh and throw meaningless comments with no substance about how I'm actually just kidding myself. but you probably didn't watch the movie because you know you won't believe it and didn't want to wait for hours . go back to the first post and respect the wishes of the original post. the govornment you vote for are not the people that actually run the show. Institutes like the IMF etc OWN countries like yours. Institutes Like these and govornment departments like the CIA and FBI have thousands of people working for them and what is Known of what they do is limited to the people that are actually doing the said things and what they know is limited! secrets can be kept (for a while), it depends on what is at stake. Wise up and open your eyes. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You Clowns that are disrespecting the wishes of the origional poster, are tiresome and will you please go away. You obviously have not watched the movie and this is what the discussion is about. How much do you Know about the IMF, the coming and goings of the rockerfellas etc, If you watch the movie you questions will be anwered. it is not sensationalising it is facts . raw images and actual statments. it is not ludercrous please watch the movie or go talk about something else somewhere else. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

dude you didn't watch the movie did you! it is all there, watch it. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How is 2 questionsin 4 short paragraphs a Rant? and yelling? this particular forum is a place for infomation,dicussion and debate. oh so i guess.. is 4 words that could start the sentance to a vast number of subjects with a varied degree of credibility. by the initial statement in your last reply you honestly come across as closed minded. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

QuoteI have tried using this argument for years to no avail. Despite the fact that a president cannot get a blowjob without the world finding out about it, people still want to beleive that the US Government, in collaboration with space aliens being lead by a still living Elvis Presley who coordinated the Kennedy assassination, are running these collosal conspiratorial events right under our noses, which we would never know about were it not for the clever genious of independant filmmakers, analysts and a few hollywood figures whos careers are suffering. They still have not explained why this evil conspiratorial government has not made any of these investigative documentary makers disappear *** Oh so i guess the thrd world trade centre collapse was just a stroke of luck for the Said terrorists? there were wepons of mass destruction and oil had nothing to do with the whole thing? If you are going to argue a point make it relavant to the subject at hand please. some of us actually like to learn without the stupid kid in the back of the class disrupting everyone else because they don't understand what is being talked about. if you want to talk shit go to the Bonfire! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

O.K. dave I am not getting into an argument about personal standpoints we are both very clear on where we stand. However when you try cloud the issue with comments that are well explained in the movie leads me to believe that you did not watch the movie or your short term memory is faulty. steel melts at at temperature that could not be reached in the short time the Jet A1 was burning. this was very well explained. if you want to defend your standpoint please do it with actual facts please. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Dood, you are one of these, Im never budging from my stand on the matter but will use clouded examples to try to put my point across. The video did not say steel can not burn it said steel does not burn, it was determined that the Jet A1 was not enough to melt the 4 INCH THICK steel. they were asking what could have been burning to create such heat and furthered the enquiry with the fact that Black smoke is not of an inferno but a struggling fire! the explosions were not the collapsing floors they hapenned up to an hour before the collapse and were complemented with immediate fireballs. I am refraining to comment too much on the movie itself as i have only watched a portion of it as it is taking a long time to download. It just seems that you read the title of the thread and replied your clouded beliefs without thinking too much about it. If you are going to comment on the movie or its message Please watch it! don't just say you have. you said no one is alive that was near the flames....bullshit bro. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

you said this once. you were talking about Michael Moore. what about you govornment and how they inform you of lies to keep you interested, and START WARS? do you dismiss the fact that this could 'possibly' be a conspiricy by the govornment? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

In theroy this is correct but unfortunately in reality, 'beyond reasonable doubt' had killed innocent people. 1 innocent person dead is too many!!! if someone is caught red handed murdering someone, then yes ther own life should be taken. rape.... cut off thier genitals, they obviously have no control over them. The leader of Iran has not made my life any more unsafe? the unnessecary use of force by numerous US presedents(and othe countries, Englandetc.) has created the terrorism such as the 911 attcacks. not the minds of some extremist muslims that only want to put hurt into peoples lives. They do these things through Hatred. their familes were probably killed and chidren raped by foreign soldiers (and don't deny the US army does that sort of thing, it is well documented) I beleive and you obviously do not that GWB is a murderer. how many people, US and Non US are now dead or maimed because of his(and/or his administrtions) selfish actions. If he was thinking about your country AT ALL then why did he Lie to you in order to get in to Iraq????? BLACK FUCKING GOLD...... HIS OWN(not the countries) BACK POCKET! do not be so blind and send that trator to the lions! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I recieved a PM from somebody that had a hard opening on a crossfire 2 but they said the packer hadpulled the slider back and exposed the nose completely, this will create a spanker on any canopy. as for you dave. you load your shit pretty well so that has to contribute to your ones? aside from these two people I have never heard of hard xfire openings. anyone else?? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

no that is not the case but with those stats you have less than 0.1% of a chance of having one. you obviously pack well. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

if he did he would miss me and he would most definately go to the hague and the USA would no longer hold the status it is only just hanging on to by the fingertips. war is stipid, Like i have said before if you solve your problems with bullieing or fighting then you need psycological help. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

that doesn't mean thay don't have some sort of environmental proticol? thay have been there for 1000's of years remember. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

This is where you are wrong. you are a newbie and people will try to sell you all kinds of shit as your first gear because they want money for the crap they have collecting dust in the closet. openings and landings are mostly effected by the design of the canopy. These days you can get modern equipment for a good price. you are asking the correct questions at the correct place. I will suggest Icarus canopies as I am sponsered by NZAerosports (Icarus/Daedalus canopies) and others will suggest others that they are sponsered by or simply prefer. for a beginner the best would be a docile canopy with good flare. If you get one that is also designed to open well because most are not then your chances of hurting youself become much less. Also the choice of lines is important. I know Icarus canopies are designed to open soft and they are setting new standards in the equipment industry. They have the Safire2, the Omega and the Omni that would be appropriate for you. all of thier canopies are lined with Vectran or HMA because it does not go out of trim. Vectran is what you want so you canopy stays in trim until it needs to be relined. people get hurt when thier canopies go out of trim through use, this is most common on spectra lined canopies. Do not buy brand new gear for your first equipment (unless you have heaps of money) as you will grow out of it quickly. do resaerch as you are doing and ask as many peole that are willing to give you advice. prefarably experienced people. Never listen to only one persons advice(some people have some funny ideas?) and when different people start saying the same thing you may be onto something. The most popular is not nessecarely the best! Good Luck and be safe.

I call BS. you are/were a crossfire man no? have you been spanked by one of them deploying on your belly? I did 800 jumps on one and never had anything near a hard opening and only a couple of line twists. I used to shake and wrap it on busy days, once i did 18 camera jumps in a day packing tham all myself and i can tell you i did not spend time sorting the canopy out. spectres are able to spank because the lines are made of spectra and the canopy goes out of trim with use. vecran lined crossfires do not spank. i have never heard of it and as far as i know the pilots are good too. they are new though and i don't know what lines thay use. there are canopies that are majic and open sof 99.9 % of the time "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

it is true that it is the education system and the parents fault, the parents fault probably goes back to the education system when they were at school. there is less punishment in schools now and with all the P.C. bullshit you arent allowed to tell a kid they are fat. even in New Zealand only if you studied Phisical education as a Subject of choice did you learn about nutrition. It is weird how socioty demands the nutritional information on the products that supplies them but does not demand the knowledge to interpret it? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix