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I would have to dis agree but what do I know? all the countries that i have been to.. not too many New Zealand, Australia, Thailand, Norway, Sweden, germany and Tanzania all have some sort of National park system (dunno about germany tho was only there a week). The fact that there are 30 peploe out there searching for them tells me there is some kind of system in place. but it seems this waterway is a major route so unfortunately for the dolphin will not ever be a national park. its seems you cannot get in the way of development. if the development is already there. our national parks(in N.Z.) are only the places that were too hard to farm or develop prior to 50 or so years ago when they started realising the importance of consevation. Humans are Bad MMKAY "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Kinda off the subject? The texas death penatly law is Pretty darn prehistoric and it is only because of conservitism that it remains in place. did you ever watch the life of david gail? The case of the GWB adminstration should be seen in the Hague as it is obvious that He/they created the 'Said' war on terrorism for personal gain. I it competly different to somone being fried for killin anothe man with his/her own hands. but IMHO what GWB has created and destroyed is Moraly unforgivable and he deserves the chair more than most of those that have recieved it! he already had access to a fortune too large to spend in a lifetime but greed was the motive to condem so many lives(U.S. & foreign) to misery and death. this man continues to talk shit to your country and your country continues to lap it up. when will it end? i believe very soon. Fry that bastard!!!!! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

bummer to read about the incident there!! be safe out there "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

this is true but just because you don't like to be in the cold. It doesn't make it stupid. yes there are risks but winter climbing is a whole sport on its own really and in winter routes can be easier and safer. it depends on your common sense, you routefinding skills and snow analysis skills and a bit of nice treatment from mother nature. With todays technology there is no reason to be stormed out in a single day ascent so My thoughts on this particular case is that they were not experienced enough. be it in skill or meterology knowledge etc. i have no clue of the story but this sort of thing happens all the time. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

did any of them take a swim? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I wish i was there cashing in on all those freshies! I'm living on the equator and havn't stapped a snowboard on for over 2 years now. sigh I wish i was there. When you have hot weather all the time is sucks! a bit of both is healthy you boring farts! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Good question! It depends on the objective and experience of the climbers! I studied avalanche for a few years before i started my skydive diploma, I am no great mountain climber but i have spent alot of time in the mountains and have studied them digging hundreds of snow profiles etc. I don't know anything about Mt. Hood but if it was ice climbing they were after then this is the best time of year. If they were simply trying to summit? then it depends if an ice climbing route would make the route faster/easier/safer? I don't know about mt. Hood but avalanche risk is there year round on signifcant mountains, and winter climbing takes much more experience and equipment! It is alot like skydiving. the risks are there and you minimise them with knowledge, equipment and experience. others mentioned that rock climbers wouldn't know about mountain climbing??? that is quite nieve to say as mountain climbing and rock climbing are disciplines of the same sport. that is like saying a belly flyer knows knows nothing of freeflying! they may not know it all but it is quite likely they have a better understanding of it than a non skydiver/climber would! winter in the mountains is amazing and my favorite place to be. but it can be very dangerous. Mt. Kilimanjaro is no mountain climb! O.K. it is the highest freestanding mountain in the world and you could die from altitude sickness but avalanche risk is absolute minimum and the main route is like a walking track. I'm looking at Mt. Kili as i sit here it is quite something! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I am about to purchase a canon digital. my partner has a sigma 10-20 lens or something like that. that lens is so heavy and she only uses it on 1 setting usually. is there fixed 10 or 12mm lenses for canon digitals? i don't want the extra weight! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

What if that court room was in the Hague? I dragged this thread out of the dust because i'm sure many minds have changed since it was origionaly posted? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Today I had to visit the doctor because of fever and pain in my kidney regon. I am in tanzania, and didn't really know what to expect. I decided not to go to the big KCMC hospital but went to the smaller mwenzi hospital. Check this out, Doctors visit cost in us dollars consultation from MD$0.40c Blood test and urine test $0.80c full course of antibiotics with syringes x 10 $1.80 pain killers that completely supress the pain and fever x 10 $0.80 The doctor spoke really good english and was very professional. I was quite stoked to get all that for $3.80 I felt like i was dying this morning but now i feel sweet! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

well said "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Me too, I think the bible has some very good morals, i liked the part that read, The Apostle Paul describes this idea of love beautifully in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7: "Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance." that statement could be tweaked by the likes of GWB for self gain. But if interpreted as it is actually written, is a wonderful statement that should be adopted by christians and non christians alike and the world would be a much better place to be. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

hypocracy, christmas was stolen from the Pagans from the Christians in the first palce. If jesus did exist, he wasn't born on the equivilant to december 25th. sheesh, Father xmas has nothing to do with christianity, why not whinge about him? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

This thread is kinda funny! people mocking what a few people are doing, you mention that dzs wouldn't have the gear to cut those suits off? they won't be jumping those suits at a DZ! they are for display jumps only if you read the bulletin from the WPST that aggie dave forgot to attach. the competition team will be wearing usual type swooping rashies and Shorts! I'm sure thier big old bus with thier name on the side will have a nice pair of shears to cut them of if need be. No one ever said those suits would be for competition. IMHO they are purely to please the audience at such events as NASCAR where the audience lap up the cheese as much as it is thown at them. Americans love cheese! Jim Slaton is cashing in on that demand! Don't you wish you were? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

The rubbers and pull ups are in there, and the Hybrid JVX is on its way ETA january 15th. the JVX hybrid 84 ends up the correct size for my container now all i need is another tandem master so i can do fun jumps too "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I just got myself a pair of kangaroos yesterday! I'm living in Tanzania and good shoes are hard to come by unless you are going on safari. There is a market that sell used clothes etc. from the western world as aid. i was rummaging around and came across a pair od hardly used kangaroos! there is a pocet in the toung but no velcro. the soles look like they have a good slip to grip ratio. not high quality shoes by any means though. I got them for less than $10. and the sticker is still on the innersole. there were some siginature ADIOS and DC's there too but the wrong size "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

or sell the canopy and get one that is 'designed' to open nice like a safire or crossfire etc. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

elongated hip rings, snapped lines, torn canopy, ripped aorta, broken neck. old PD openings + triathlon. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

can you swap your photo for the hot ukraine chicks on the wall behind ya? that would be much better to look at. the colour of thier jumpsuits are nice too. i can't believe those girls agreed to pose for that cheezy photo! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

most of the people that have said to me the crossfire/icarus openings are too long are people that are used to contantly getting slammed by 200' openings on sabres stilettos etc. a longer opening canopy is better for the human body but opening height has to be allowd for. I actually enjoy the opening sequence! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Did you find your main? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I also think this is the main reason, However it would be possible to change the function of the flap by putting a pocket on the bottom flap and having essentialy the same design without the 'catchyness', probably still my all round favorite rig though even though i don't have one yet! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

QuoteDude, that's the longest post i have ever seen *** Yeah and i dunno how to coy and paste so i had to write it all out and type it up again "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How is it that when I say something Another party(icarus) gets blamed for it? I think they did very well to resolve the problem and the vast majority of the problem canopies were made by Precision at the time! red below the service bulliten from 2001 new bulletin regarding the Crossfire was issued today. The URL is http://www.icaruscanopies.com/bulletin2.htm. Below is the bulletin in full. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Product Safety Bulletin Product Safety Bulletin #20011004 Crossfire Safety Bulletin #2 Limited quantity of canopies grounded until further notice Limited quantity of canopies subject to S&TA approval before use Date of Notice: October 04, 2001 Effective: Immediately Applicability: Attached lists of Icarus Crossfire Canopies Compliance: Mandatory or Subject to S&TA approval Restriction: Attached list of canopies known to have manufacturing tolerance issues are grounded until further notice. Subsequent list of Crossfire’s which may be affected are subject to S&TA or DZO approval for before use. Exclusions: European Built Crossfire’s are not affected (as attached to this bulletin) Canopies approved for use by S&TA’s Resolution: Canopies to be certified as being within Manufacturing tolerance standards and/or repaired if necessary Information: Refer Attached Document Additional Information: Contact: Simon Mundell Icarus Canopies, 1627, US 1, Sebastian, FL 32958, USA Ph. (561) 581-8131, Fax (561) 581-8132 simon@icaruscanopies.com Background: Since our Safety Bulletin dated September 14, 2001 we have received several calls from Crossfire owners reporting instability with their canopy. With these incidents coming to light, we feel it necessary to issue a more specific warning with regards to canopies which may be affected and a mandatory grounding of those parachutes known to be affected by the anomaly as detailed in Safety Bulletin #20010914 dated Sept 14. (Refer attached for serial number listings). Required Action: Grounded Canopies (attached as annex two to this safety bulletin) Parachutes with serial numbers attached to this list that are known to have an anomaly are grounded until further notice. Refer attached serial number list titled Grounded Canopies for further details. Limited Grounding Subject to S&TA and/or DZO approval (attached as annex three to this safety bulletin) Crossfire’s on the list of canopies deemed as POTENTIALLY AFFECTED are subject to S&TA and/or DZO approval before flight. S&TA’s must be familiar with the skydivers jumping the potentially affected Crossfire’s (refer attached list) and ensure that the jumper is experienced and capable of making decisions regarding the reliability of his or her parachute. Additionally, they must have done a minimum number of jumps to have PREVIOUSLY flown the canopy in turbulent conditions and on front risers. They must meet these requirements and have not experienced any anomaly on their canopy in order for the canopy to be approved for flight. Attached (annex one) is a detailed explanation to ensure S&TA’s, DZO’s and users are well-informed and capable of making educated decisions. This bulletin and the canopy serial number lists are also available to view on our website www.icaruscanopies.com. For more information contact: Simon Mundell Icarus Canopies, Inc. 1627 US Highway 1 Sebastian, Florida 32958 Telephone 561-581-8131 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Annex One Overview: Following is a detailed explanation to ensure a good understanding of the problem and to avoid bias or misinterpretation. The Icarus Crossfire was designed to be the highest performing non-cross braced canopy available, able to achieve realms of flight previously considered impossible on non-cross braced parachutes with a lot of effort being put into the smoothest openings available. It’s fair to say that it’s lived up to that claim. During the canopy’s testing program and subsequent release there were no anomalies apparent with the design. When we learned that some canopies in the field started to experience buffeting we implemented a minor change to the canopy’s trim in January 2001 and production continued. Contrary to some statements made in various public forums there have been no changes made to the canopy’s nose design or the planform shape. Since the trim was modified, we documented a few isolated incidents of instability on Crossfire’s. Upon inspecting these canopies, each was confirmed to be the result of manufacturing the canopy out of tolerance. Upon re-building or reworking the affected canopies, the anomaly disappeared. With the high number of canopies in the field operating normally we did not feel it was widespread, and saw it as a limited quality issue. Testing and investigating was underway. After the incident at the Pond Swooping Nationals, additional calls were received about instability and buffeting on some canopy’s prompting our service bulletin of Sept 14 urging caution on front risers. The problem: The Icarus Crossfire is a high performance, constant cell aspect ratio, fully surface shaped, truly elliptical, inflatable wing. The issue with such modern designs is they are far more susceptible to trim and wing shape variances than is the case with older design canopies. This appears to be the crux of this issue. Upon inspecting canopies that experienced buffeting or instability, inconsistent manufacturing tolerances are apparent in each of them. Safety bulletin #20010914 Sept 14 was applied to Crossfire’s built from the specific location where these tolerance issues were apparent. Also listed on the bulletin were canopies that had the old trim specifications irrelevant of their origin of manufacture. During subsequent testing we have discovered parachutes with lesser degrees of manufacturing tolerance issues that experience these anomalies hence we expanded our warning (October 01) to include additional parachutes. Excluded are those Crossfire’s built from our European facility, none of which have experienced any known anomaly or have any known tolerance issues. Putting this in perspective: Since the canopy’s trim was modified Jan ’01 we are yet to experience any problems with any canopies built at our European facility. We have manufactured close on 1000 Crossfire’s to date. Of these, the majority (approx 600) have been produced at our European facility (those excluded from this bulletin). The balance (subject to this bulletin) were produced in the USA plus a handful from New Zealand. We estimate the European built Crossfire’s will have done a combined total of between 100,000 and 200,000 jumps to date without experiencing any anomaly that we are aware of. Certainly a conclusive result by anyone’s standards. Our European facility is unique in the fact that it produces canopies to NATO’s AQAP and ISO9000 quality assurance procedures. Their quality systems and manufacturing procedures set a standard in our industry. The quality inspection process that canopies go through during and after they are manufactured insure that each piece of a canopies construction fits to within very exacting tolerances. This offers a significant insight into the relation between the anomaly and manufacturing tolerances. How many canopies may be affected? When we calculate the percentages from the respondents to our Safety Bulletin of Sept 14, between 5% and 7% of the 380 canopies on the bulletin have experienced issues or between 1.9% and 2.7% of the total number of Crossfire’s produced. Once again we request that ALL Crossfire owners who have not yet responded to please contact our office or email crossfire@icaruscanopies.com so that we can complete an accurate record of all canopies. Note: The majority of the NON-European built canopies that we have inspected have been produced within adequate tolerances. We are NOT implying that all the NON-European built canopies have unacceptable manufacturing tolerances. What about other Icarus Canopies? As overviewed previously, it has become apparent that the Crossfire requires exacting manufacturing standards. Other canopies in our range are not affected in the same way by such tolerance issues. Note: Where we choose to manufacture our products has been changed and we do NOT see this issue as ongoing. What Icarus is doing to resolve the situation: At present we have a joint American-European team working in Europe consisting of test jumpers, riggers and Aeronautical Engineers. Initially we have commenced the identification of each manufacturing inconsistency that exists in each parachute we have that experiences the anomaly. We are then test jumping each parachute and then slowly correcting the defects so we can accurately measure the points at which these inaccuracies create the anomaly. This is more difficult than it may appear due to the compounding effect that can be created if several minor inconsistencies are all apparent in the one canopy. Any one or two minor (or major) inconsistencies may not have any affect. However, when several small tolerance issues are combined the anomaly may become apparent. As a result we must be confident that we have identified each and every variable, individually and combined which creates the anomaly. Once completed, we are endeavoring to produce a set of measuring standards by which the canopies can be compared. Canopies within the specifications will be approved for use. Those that fall outside these specifications will be repaired or replaced. Additional to this process it is apparent that the Crossfire design, like any high performance piece of equipment, requires accuracy in its construction and therefore does not leave a lot of margin for mistakes. As a result we are also experimenting with other minor adjustments that will ensure the rigidity in parachutes even if tolerance issues exist. This is proving very successful and may be applied to all Crossfire’s in the field and subsequent Crossfire’s that we manufacture. We are currently having success with trim options that appear to stabilize even the most affected canopies. While we are achieving positive results, additional testing is being conducted before we are prepared to conclude our results. New Canopies: Whilst we are confident of the reliability of Crossfire’s produced within tight tolerances (including all of those from our European facility) we are also investigating possible modifications to the panel shaping to allow for an additional safety margin in the manufacturing process. Recommendation: We know that most of the Crossfire’s out there are solid canopies. We feel the balance is to let everybody know all the information we have available. Let people know the most likely affected serial numbers. Ask people to stay off front risers down low and avoid jumping in turbulent conditions. A note on turbulence: Turbulence is a major factor in skydiving which kills or injures many skydivers every year. Pilots and Aeronautical Engineers will know the full extent of how serious turbulence can be. Do not underestimate how serious it can be regardless of the canopy you jump. The majority of experienced Crossfire pilots know their canopies are safe. They have jumped them in countless meteorological conditions and performed countless riser maneuvers, others will not be sure and some will know their canopies are affected. If you are in doubt or have limited experience on your canopy, then don’t jump your canopy until we resolve this issue as a precautionary measure. Actions: Limited Grounding Subject to S&TA and/or DZO approval (attached as annex three) We have detailed this information to offer Crossfire users, S&TA’s and DZO’s the necessary information to make educated decisions. We recommend to S&TA’s and DZO’s that they are familiar with the skydivers jumping the potentially affected Crossfire’s (refer attached list) and ensure that the jumper is experienced and capable of making decisions regarding the reliability of his or her parachute. Additionally, they must have done a minimum number of jumps to have PREVIOUSLY flown the canopy in turbulent conditions and on front risers. Should they meet these requirements and have not experienced any anomaly on their canopy then we see it as most appropriate that you and the jumper make an educated decision based on this body of information. Should they have limited experience either as a skydiver or on the canopy then we recommend temporarily grounding their canopy as a precautionary measure until such time as we can approve it for use or modify it if necessary. Additionally the parachutes attached to this list that are known to have an anomaly are grounded until such time as we can approve them, alter them or replace them. (Attached as annex two). If your canopy is on the list of grounded canopies please contact Icarus Canopies. We will work with you as much as possible and practical to ensure minimal disruption to your jumping. If your canopy is not on the list but you do detect flight anomalies please get in contact with us. Note: Should our investigations offer any greater cause for concern we will not hesitate in implementing more stringent directives. Trim Modifications: (attached as annex four) Also attached is a list of canopies that are required to be returned to Icarus Canopies for a trim modification. These are canopies which have the old trim specifications. Note: if your canopy has been re-lined since January 2001 it will have been fitted with the new trim and a re-trim is not needed. Spectra Line - Line Set Change Required to VECTRAN: Any Crossfire’s with Spectra line require a change to Vectran. Spectra line does shrink rapidly and may create issues as it ages. Note: Vectran is mandatory due to its superior trim qualities Contact Icarus Canopies for details. Closing Note: Icarus Canopies has enjoyed tremendous growth over the past couple of years. We have secured a market position which seemed impossible two years ago. We have achieved this by going the extra mile for our customers and by designing some of the most revolutionary canopies the industry has seen in a long time. We have invested a significant amount of time and money to achieve this position and we are not about to ignore our responsibilities as a leading canopy manufacturer. We are not infallible, as no company is, nor are we a giant corporation with unlimited resources. Our goals extend well beyond our current market position and we fully intend to be around to realize them. We appreciate your support and understanding and will do all in our power to fully resolve this situation as rapidly as possible. Should you have any questions please don’t hesitate to contact: Simon Mundell Icarus Canopies, 1627, US 1, Sebastian, FL 32958, USA Ph. (561) 581-8131, Fax (561) 581-8132 simon@icaruscanopies.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Annex Two Grounded Canopies Crossfire’s with the serial numbers as listed below are grounded until further notice pending evaluation and approval or modification by Icarus Canopies 8139 8160 8186 8244 96612851 96612861 96612876 96612909 96612998 96613020 96613031 96613054 96613138 96613156 96613183 96613226 96613258 96613278 96613280 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Annex Three Canopies subject to S&TA approval before use Crossfire’s with the serial numbers as listed below are subject to S&TA approval before use. 8132 96612835 96612929 96612982 96613100 8138 96612836 96612931 96612983 96613101 8148 96612848 96612932 96612994 96613102 8178 96612852 96612933 96612995 96613103 8251 96612854 96612937 96612997 96613104 8259 96612855 96612938 96613008 96613105 8432 96612859 96612939 96613012 96613106 8433 96612860 96612941 96613013 96613107 8434 96612862 96612943 96613014 96613110 8435 96612865 96612944 96613015 96613111 8436 96612866 96612945 96613016 96613112 8438 96612871 96612946 96613019 96613113 92912345 96612872 96612947 96613028 96613114 94112350 96612873 96612948 96613032 96613116 94812367 96612874 96612949 96613033 96613118 96612340 96612875 96612950 96613034 96613123 96612790 96612877 96612951 96613042 96613124 96612801 96612878 96612952 96613043 96613125 96612802 96612879 96612953 96613044 96613126 96612803 96612880 96612954 96613045 96613127 96612804 96612881 96612955 96613046 96613128 96612805 96612882 96612960 96613047 96613129 96612806 96612883 96612961 96613048 96613130 96612807 96612896 96612965 96613049 96613131 96612808 96612897 96612966 96613050 96613132 96612809 96612898 96612967 96613051 96613136 96612810 96612899 96612968 96613068 96613137 96612811 96612900 96612969 96613085 96613139 96612812 96612904 96612970 96613087 96613140 96612813 96612905 96612971 96613088 96613141 96612814 96612908 96612972 96613089 96613142 96612815 96612910 96612973 96613091 96613143 96612816 96612911 96612974 96613092 96613144 96612817 96612912 96612975 96613093 96613145 96612818 96612914 96612976 96613094 96613146 96612819 96612919 96612977 96613095 96613147 96612820 96612924 96612978 96613096 96613148 96612821 96612926 96612979 96613097 96613149 96612822 96612927 96612980 96613098 96613150 96612823 96612928 96612981 96613099 96613151 96613152 96613224 96613277 96912365 96613153 96613225 96613282 96912367 96613154 96613227 96613283 96912368 96613155 96613228 96613284 96613157 96613229 96613285 96613158 96613230 96613286 96613159 96613231 96613306 96613165 96613232 96613317 96613166 96613233 96613318 96613167 96613234 96613319 96613168 96613235 96613321 96613169 96613236 96613322 96613170 96613238 96613323 96613171 96613239 96613324 96613176 96613243 96613325 96613177 96613244 96613326 96613178 96613245 96613327 96613184 96613247 96613328 96613185 96613248 96613329 96613186 96613249 96613330 96613187 96613250 96613331 96613188 96613251 96613332 96613189 96613252 96613333 96613194 96613253 96613334 96613195 96613255 96613335 96613196 96613257 96613337 96613197 96613259 96613345 96613198 96613260 96613346 96613199 96613261 96613347 96613200 96613263 96712347 96613201 96613264 96712357 96613202 96613265 96712364 96613203 96613267 96812349 96613204 96613269 96812356 96613205 96613270 96912348 96613206 96613271 96912355 96613215 96613272 96912358 96613221 96613273 96912360 96613222 96613275 96912362 96613223 96613276 96912363 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Annex Four Canopies requiring re-trim Crossfire’s with the serial numbers as listed below require a re-trim by Icarus Canopies before 31 October 2001. Contact Icarus Canopies for details. 8132 50212674 96212746 8138 50212677 96212749 8139 50212689 96212752 8148 50212701 96312732 8178 50212701 96312738 8186 50212707 96312741 8244 50212707 96312747 8251 50212722 96312750 8259 50312558 96312753 8432 50312570 96312759 8433 50312576 96312765 8434 50312579 96312795 8435 50312600 96312807 8436 50312615 96312810 8438 50312618 50112562 50312621 50112574 50312624 50112580 50312630 50112586 50312648 50112601 50312654 50112607 50312657 50112613 50312666 50112619 50312675 50112622 50312684 50112646 50312705 50112667 50312705 50112676 50312717 50112679 50312729 50112685 96112739 50112694 96112748 50112703 96112751 50112718 96112754 50112727 96112766 50212560 96112784 50212560 96112793 50212572 96112796 50212575 96112808 50212617 96112811 50212623 96212737 50212659 96212740 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Annex Five Canopies approved for full use Crossfire’s with the serial numbers as listed below are NOT subject to this Safety Bulletin. Note: Due to the quantity of serial numbers involved, the serial numbers below are listed in ranges (i.e. from & to). ANY & ALL serial number listed WITHIN these ranges of serial numbers applies. Serial Number Ranges From To 94312960 94313148 96112742 96112799 96112835 96112898 96112904 96112909 96112911 96112994 96113000 96113095 96113101 96113192 96113201 96113224 96212743 96212755 96212770 96212776 96212785 96212791 96212794 96212800 96212803 96212836 96212842 96212896 96212908 96212998 96213001 96213096 96213102 96213199 96213202 96213240 96312756 96312761 96312763 96312894 96312915 96312993 96313002 96313097 96313106 96313185 96313200 96313223 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Is precisely why This discussion was started. I am inquiring on behalf of an African dropzone. It was mentioned that these engines can run on diesel but are supposed to use JET-A1? What would be the negative aspects of using Diesel instead of JET-A1? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix