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Quade, Thank you, I understand your point now. Difference is they do not "fly for hire" however, good point. Big difference is, you are speaking of government operations. What keeps most DZO's (IMHO) is the Dollar Bill. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Billy, I just received my magazine on Friday. I have read the letter you guys sent in. All I ask is next time let me co-sign with you. Derek owes me a Dr. Pepper for missing me..... Blues and keep on keeping on, J.E. James 4:8

Okay, I could not leave yet. How did you get to $50.00 for jump tickets? What are we talking about additional in "requirements"? 100 hour inspections in lieu of just annuals. A 135 operations manual. Pilot check rides every 6 months that are done by a staff "check pilot". The biggest item would be, as I see it, aircraft insurance. Do you have any idea how many operators do not carry insurance at all? Or do you care? It is so much easier not to ask or not want to know than face the facts sometimes. However, if we keep our "noses clean" as an industry, the FAA will probably stay at arms length. So let us concentrate on that. But please come on now, let us not start throwing around costs, problems, putting people out of business, etc. without some facts. See you all later. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Tom & Quade, Do we need it? I don't know. I have not looked at the aircraft incidents/accidents that are strictly skydiving related. I'm sure most "minor" incidents are not reported. Chris may be able so shed some light on those facts. What is "significantly increase"? Couple buck a ticket? Who knows without looking at the costs, load factors, etc. Please tell me what would be the bad part of "It will force a shake out of jump aircraft operators....."? That implies that there are "shady operators" and if that is true ( ), why not? I'm not stating that we need "more regulations". That seems to light some peoples fuses, I'm stating why not the higher standards for aircraft and pilots? We all know that some DZO's character is such that they will go beyond the "minimum" requirements for safety sake, some will not. Have fun with this one guys. Heading out for the day, I'll check back in later. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

No, you did not say........ never. I did not imply that you did. You are correct, there is nothing to "prevent" higher standards, other than spending their money......... Part 135 would require the DZO's to write an operations manual and comply with not only the manual but also the aircraft and pilot currency requirements of 135. Help me out here though, where did "police, fire, lifeflight." come from? I thought we were discussing skydiving? It would be great if all would lead and then "follow by example" but it is not the case. No argument here Quade, just thoughts. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Quade, Never say never however, it is unlikely. Even so it would be directed towards aircraft and pilots, not the typical skydiver. That said, maintenance requirements and pilot proficiency would not be a bad thing, would it? Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Makes no difference. It's all perception. I had two of the first Sabre 150's and put over 500 jumps on both and only one "spanking" when I failed to stow the slider correctly and had "slider sail" on the opening. My fault, not the canopy. Learn to pack and use your equipment. The next question is "Do you and your sabre still beat your wife?" Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Great Idea! Until someone developes a ground proximity radar and an autopilot for canopy pilots......................... Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Please check with PD before making statements such as this. I believe once you do you will find out that the canopy does not sink. The higher wing loading will cause the canopy to fly faster. The decent angle will remain close to the same however you fly down it faster. This may give you the perception of a sink rate increase however they are two different things. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Derek, One thing you must be careful of, I noticed when I searched my own name I came up with no reference the first two times. The name has to be specific and as shown on the certificate. My example, J.E. = James. I am a "JR" however it is not shown on my certificates as my father was also a pilot however using SS# and DOB was how they seperated our ratings. So, make sure you have the full name. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

You talking to me or the kid that was doing it? James 4:8

Sorry, but not true. The young man was packing un-supervised and using his dad's seal. His excuse was that an DPRE has watched him pack and stated he would have passed the exam if he was old enough. Even without taking the written exam. Blues, J.E> James 4:8

Well, you did not answer my question. Are you the dzo? If not we'll see what he says when I come down to spend a few hundred dollars.......... I don't drink but you can buy my Dr. Pepper for the night! James 4:8

Okay, I'll still buy you that jump even with your insult, that has nothing to do with the subject. When it reverts to insults from facts it's gone far enough. Thanks for the small words. I forgive you for your denial. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Well thank you Mike. You have agreed to the facts and points I started this on. Believe me, I wish we had the real authority to protect some people from themselves, but we don't. I'll buy the next jump if you show up at our dz and I will not ground you Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Again, you do not have the authority to ground me or anyone else. Please tell me I'm grounded, and then meet me at the DZ this weekend. Now if what you are telling me is that I cannot spend my money at your dz then you have the authority to not accept my money. Not to ground me. If that is what you mean by "try me" okay. I'll ask again, show me the regulation, authorization, BSR, SIM, FAR, law, ordinance, anything but a note from your DZO where you have the authority to ground anyone. Yes your focus is different, you believe you have the authority to enforce something that does not exist, except throught the business decision of a DZO. What rules are you taking about enforcing? Show me a "rule" or "regulation" in the BSR, SIM, or governance. We are talking about your authority to ground a skydiver? Not to enforce a DZO's business policy! Are you a rating holder? Your profile indicates you are a tandem Instructor and I believe you are an S&TA from your posts but unless you are going to threaten to break my legs or something, you are not going to be able to ground me or anyone else. Are you the DZO? If so you can refuse my money but you cannot stop me from skydiving, read that "ground me". Sorry Mike but you've got to accept the facts. Signing off for the night. Stay safe, see you tomorrow. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Derek, So very right! Riggers tickets are just like pilot's tickets. There are several on the forum that indicate they are riggers, instructors, coaches, etc. and they do not have the ratings from the USPA. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Okay, here we go cut and paste. Now you are getting to it. An S&TA can suspend a RATING pending review. Are you a rating holder? An S&TA cannot ground anyone! Get back on subject. The DZO can refuse your business but that is a business decision! You are starting to admit where the true "authority" is. With the DZO's! Tell me I cannot jump and guess what, you have absolutely no authority to stop me unless the DZO says so. The DZO can give you the "authority" to enforce his safety rules however, again that is a business decision.The USPA can give you what authority in the absence of an RD? To ground someone? No. Again show me where it says you as an S&TA have that "authority" even as an appointed RD! Even the USPA cannot ground a skydiver and enforce it! Want to my ratings, go ahead. Will that stop me from jumping? No. Authority is the ability to enforce your decision. The DZO can enforce any business decision he makes only by refusing your business and not allowing you to utilize his facilities. Again that is a business decision! Can DZO's and USPA join forces, absolutely, and it takes the DZO's to do it. The "governance" does not give an S&TA the authority to ground anyone. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Okay, I thought you had some "rotorhead" answer. You can rotate around only one axis however, you cannot "decouple" the axis or seperate them. You scared me, like the old saying if your wings are flying faster than you are you must be crashing or in a helicopter!!! Blues, J.E. James 4:8

mjosparky, Are you talking about who I think you are????? Be nice now. You might bring out the S&TA's to ground you!!!!!! Hope you are well my friend. Blues, J.E> James 4:8

Again, good on you. You have taken the typical road of cut and paste and confusion. Again, state facts, quote your reference in the BSR, SIM, FAR. If you are unable to do so then again, admit the "authority" is not there. I am sure we both "believe" in the same thing however, assumed or implied "authority" is not in fact the ability to enforce anything. The DZO can in fact ground or, lets state it in the true manner, refuse anyones business he wants. That is a business decision, not authority empowered by any association or government body. Please do not confuse the people who do not read a SIM, BSR's, or FAR's. Don't play word games. Give up your references, prove your points, show your facts. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Mike, Good on you, and we do that relationship here at our dz however, take it upon yourself to prove with facts to anyone on this forum where the REAL AUTHORITY lays. Do not assume or present a political or social position based upon "relationships" and call it "authority". If you are in fact an S&TA you should know the "authority" presented to you by the organization that "appointed" you an S&TA. More importantly the limits of your "authority". Now you want to talk about DZO's? Facts..................... Disagree with that. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Dave, Please explain to me how to "decouple" the yaw and pitch axis. Blues, J.E. James 4:8

Derek, Please note the last post I made on the "other" thread. I again will ask you to not blame S&TA's for the problem. If you want S&TA's to "enforce" anything you must give them the "authority". Again, BSR's are not regulations and without the DZO leading the charge at this time, nothing will change until USPA and/or FAA steps up. Nuff said brother, blues. J.E. James 4:8

Derek, You and I agree on 99% of our thoughts however, your comment about S&TA's counting for nothing is completely off the mark. People seem to believe S&TA's are the "cops" of the DZ, not so. Safety and Training Advisors have many other obligations and being the DZ Cop is not listed as one. Many of us work very hard to increase awareness and training of all skydivers. Please do not insult us based upon one specific, non-enforceable problem in our sport. Sorry to complain to you brother however, you know the authority an S&TA has. Others should read the SIM to discover. Blues and keep on keeping on, J.E. edited to add my comment on bsr's. They are not enforceable anyway without the DZO's agreement. Only FAR's are "enforcable" Nothing says "Basid Skydiving Regulations". James 4:8