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I'd like to see the ethics approval process on that one.... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Just a bit of stuff from the Aussie OpRegs. (some definitions: student=not A licenced, novice=not B licenced) Over here, you need to have completed the B-rel table before you can do more than 2-ways. A student or novice cannot do more than 2-ways unless the DZSO authorises it. In our system, you complete your training table (AFF/TAF/SL), then go onto the B-rel table. This is a series of 2-ways, culminating in 3 4-ways that teach you RW skills. Completion of this is compulsory for your B licence. edit: The person that you do your jumps with is a tutor or instructor with an AFF or RW endorsement. . This seems to be a bit more formal than the US system. Hopefully our rules can give you some insight. That said, one of my first jumps off student status was a 4-way. The 3 others were all AFF-Is, 2 were SL-Is and one was the DZSO. The jump basically consisted of my falling down while they did things around me. This is a cut and paste from the OpRegs. 6.4. FLATFLY RW TRAINING DESCENTS 6.4.1. All Flatfly RW training descents shall be carried out under the supervision of a Chief Instructor. 6.4.2. FLATFLY RW TRAINING DESCENT TABLE: To obtain Certificate "B" the Flatfly RW Training Table outlined in Appendix 2 and defined in the APF “B” licence Manual must be completed to the satisfaction of the DZSO. (Refer to 6.2.4 for exception.) 6.4.3. Each skill level of the Flatfly RW Training Descent Table must be performed without difficulty before the trainee is permitted to advance to the next skill level. Completion of this table requires a minimum of 10 minutes freefall time. Where the exit height permits it, more than one skill level may be completed on a single descent. 6.4.4. If an applicant for Certificate "B" has reached a degree of Flatfly RW proficiency outside of the APF framework, the DZSO shall satisfy himself as to the standard this person has reached and have him take up training at the appropriate skill level of the Flatfly RW Training Descent Table or make a declaration that his ability is equal to having completed the table. 6.4.5. The trainee must complete skill levels 1 to 6 of the Flatfly RW Training Descent Table before participating in any other relative work descent except as follows: (a) A student parachutist who has completed a Student Training Descent Table may also make flatfly RW descents with the holder of at least a Certificate “E”; (b) A parachutist who holds a Certificate “A” may make flatfly RW descents with the holder of at least a Certificate “D”; (c) Such descents shall be made only with the approval of the DZSO and shall be restricted to two person descents. 6.4.6. Parachutists who have not qualified for Certificate "B" shall not make Flatfly RW descents except under the direct supervision of an instructor. 6.4.7. Student parachutists shall not make a Flatfly RW descent before the last descent of the Student Training Descent Table except under the provisions of an alternative training descent table acceptable to the Director Instructors and the Director Safety. 6.4.8. Parachutists who are not qualified for Certificate "B" shall not participate in Flatfly RW with more than one person unless permission to do so is endorsed in their log book by the DZSO. -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

How much fun can you have in a day? -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

My rigger knows how to pack Racers. I'm just looking for ideas to pass on. I showed him the no-sew fingertrap. He liked that! -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Don't worry! My first jump was from about 3k.... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

FWIW: For what it's worth -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Or an $80 survival tool. I got me an all metal one. Not one of the crappy plastic ones that Mr Dave alludes to. -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

That's exactly why I wouldn't have thought of it. "How can I check my chest strap when I can't see it?" -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

That's a good idea. I would never had thought of that... Then again, I suppose that's what 27 years and 4300 jumps does to you.... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

bloody hell That looks pretty bad! -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

How do you deal with the potential for lines getting caught on the poptop? I've managed to get some wrapped around it when I was walking in after landing. Just wondering how you cope in the air. -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Why would you do that? I keep my brakes stowed until I've got everything taken care of (slider, chest strap, etc) then I carefully grab my toggles and unstow. I used to do that. Open, clear my airspace, collapse slider, pull it down, loosen chest strap and unstow toggles. Then a previous discussion on here changed my mind. It was referring to locked brakes and the possibilty of having to chop a canopy. Now I open, clear my airspace, collapse slider, pull it down, unstow toggles and loosen chest strap. Just my 2c.... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Woah, forty practice pack jobs with 4 check stages each time for mains! That seems a tad excessive, its not rocket science. Does Denmark generally have conservative rules like that? 4 checks? How about these? 1 - lines are clear (check the brake lines) 2 - slider up and everthing is neat 3 - looks good in the bag 4 - looks good in the container Doesn't sound that conservative to me... but I'm from Australia... . Sounds similar to our Packer B requirements. The examination is 10 supervised pack jobs on at least two different canopies. After which you can pack canopies for students. -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Get the fuck out. I thought you were a chick. Sorry, hoss. Nope definatley got gonads And just look at the hair do I note that you cropped the bit that makes you look like you were taking a piss.... :) -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

That's true. But does the Icarus site have a canopy colouring program? I couldn't find one... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Be careful. A jumper over here was killed by a tail strike because he did a poised/float type exit from a caravan while it was still climbing. Read tail low, head high, head said hello to tail. I'll see if I can find the incident report. You may have to wait a few days, it's at home... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

I did a style set. -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

I'M NOT AN INSTRUCTOR I was taught to delta out of any flat spin that I got into. In fact, that's how I get out of spins that I put myself into. Just extend your legs and bring your arms down by your side. . Oh yeah, and it's spelt "encyclopaedia" too... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Does it have a chin cup? From my very limited experience, I have needed a chin cup to make my helmet feel secure on my head. Tha said, there are people who have mounted cameras on Gaths, so, who am I to nay say...? -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

I didn't want to get too close or steep, I wasn't wearing wings, and I was in quite a slow body position. Crashing through a 4-way isn't exactly my idea of fun... Maybe next time... -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

What are the requirements to be, and priveliges of, instructors in the US? I've gone throught the SIM, and a few other things, searched on here, and I can't find the answers that I'm after. In the APF, there are three levels of instructor: D, B & A. There is also the Chief Instructor (CI). An ID needs (at a minimum) a D licence (200 jumps), Star Crest, a Packer B, and to pass all tests with at least 70% An IB needs (at a minimum) a D licence (200 jumps), a Packer A (can pack reserves), six months as an ID and to pass all tests with at least 70% An IA needs (at a minimum) an E licence (500 jumps), two years as an IB, pass all tests with at least 70% and to write a thesis on a subject acceptable to the Director Instructor. A CI needs an IA rating and the recomendation of the local Council. Instructors must hold at least one endorsement. The endorsements that you can get are: S/L AFF (need documented evidence of at least 4 hrs freefall) TM (need E licence, and Private pilots medical) The priveliges of the instructors: ID: To instruct student (pre A licence) and novice (pre B licence) in the disciplines for which the appropriate and valid endorsement is held in all phases except emergency training and classroom training (other than briefings for a particular jump) under the direct supervision of an Instructor appointed as DZSO. IB: to instruct students and novices in all training phases for which the appropriate and valid endorsement is held under the supervision of a Chief Instructor. Can also act as DZSO. IA: as per IB, but IA's can apply to be Chief Instructors. CI: As per IB. The CI is responsible for ensuring the quality of instruction, and for the signing off of licences. . Basically: IDs can take students up on their jump, and brief them just for that jump. IBs can teach the FJC as well as take up first jump students. They can also be a DZSO (~S&TA) IAs -> same as IB. CIs are responsible for everything, and sign off on licences. How does this compare with the US? -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

Just so that you know that you're not alone... There was a story in the Australina Skydiving Magazine a little while ago about a night tandem chop due to line twists. The TM and student did everything that they could to get out of them. THey suceeded in getting out of one line twist in about 1000', only about 8 to go. That one got chopped. -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

I've just gotten one of my first 4-way videos upload to www.skydivingmovies.com. I took it on Sunday afternoon. Do a search for masher and you should find it. Let us know what you think! -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

I thought that HAL was derived from one letter less than IBM HAL: Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer -- Arching is overrated - Marlies

It works now... stupid computer -- Arching is overrated - Marlies